[ale] Losing Ubuntu

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 13:29 -0400, James Sumners wrote:
> All of your points are accurate, except you left out one thing. When
> testing goes into freeze, sid sort of gets stuck too. The testing
> freeze can be a very trying time for bleeding edgers.
> 
> After using Debian for many years on both servers and desktops I have
> come to the point where I will only use the stable branch. Which means
> I only run Debian on a server. Machines where I want the latest and
> greatest get Arch Linux instead.

I have been such a Debian snob, aside from Libranet, it has been pure
Debian for my until last year with small forays into Fedora and Ubuntu
to test out the releases.  I will take a look at Arch.  

For the Masochist of you out there, look at Crux.  It has the greatest
package manager ever, portage.  It is the only package manager I like
more then .debs.  Crux has zero package checks, it will do exactly what
you told it to do, no matter what the repercussions are.  Crux is for
experts who know what they need installed.  
> 
> So, to the original poster, I commend you for shunning the Ubuntu (I
> don't like it). But instead of going to Debian, you might want to look
> at Arch. Arch is very much like Debian, just newer.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Damon L. Chesser <damon at damtek.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:16 -0400, Jim Kinney wrote:
> >> let the flame war begin!
> >>
> >> Ubuntu is to Debian as RHEL is to Fedora (except RHEL works)
> >
> > not Exactly:  Debian works also, but is tailored to a server OS, hence
> > years between releases: Stable means Stable.  Ubuntu takes a snapshot of
> > Sid (unstable), then tweaks kernel mods and perhaps takes upstream
> > versions of problematic applications.  You can easily run Sid as a
> > desktop and be on the leading edge or you can run Stable and be on the
> > "Stale" but stable, known issues edge.  I would not run testing as
> > nobody cares if testing breaks as it is what it's name implies (with the
> > exception being after a freeze when testing becomes more stable and bugs
> > are worked out of it to ready it for release).
> >
> > What Ubuntu can do, Sid does also.  What Fedora can do RHEL may or may
> > not be able to do (but CentOS can do if you add third party repos).
> >
> > IF you do run Sid (Unstable refers to packages both versions and actual
> > programs being changed, deleted, updated, modified, etc, not to the way
> > in which it runs:  ie, unstable does not mean kernel oops or system lock
> > ups, but those could happen due to not fully tested packages causing
> > issues) you will need to apt-get install apt-listbugs.  With that
> > installed, everytime you do an update or an install of packages, it will
> > check for and list all known bugs.  READ that output.  READ that output.
> > READ that output.  Once I did not and there was an issue with PAM.
> > Result:  Unusable system and I had to wait three weeks before I could
> > re-install and fix the problem.
> >>
> >> Keep us posted on the process and progress and your opinions.
> >> Strengths and weaknesses, compare and contrast, etc. I bounce back and
> >> forth between fedora and RHEL and have preferences for each depending
> >> on need.
> 
> 


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Damon
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