[ale] Ale Digest, Vol 27, Issue 92

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Thu Apr 29 22:03:36 EDT 2010


I know I still have my first PC.
A timex Sinclair 2068

I have no idea where the power supply is.


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>   1. Re: a moment of silence please (Paul Cartwright)
>   2. Re: a moment of silence please (Geoffrey)
>   3. Re: geezer notice with meeting idea (John G. Heim)
>   4. Re: geezer notice with meeting idea (Larry Johnson)
>   5. gopher (Paul Cartwright)
>   6. Re: gopher (James Sumners)
>   7. Re: gopher (Michael Trausch)
>   8. Re: gopher (Geoffrey)
>   9. Re: gopher (Paul Cartwright)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:24:01 -0400
> From: Paul Cartwright <ale at pcartwright.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] a moment of silence please
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <201004291624.01640.ale at pcartwright.com>
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> On Thu April 29 2010, Geoffrey wrote:
>> I've got two or three 730 consoles, so yes, got those. ?Don't know  
>> about
>> a network card, have to look at them. ?Yes, got all the software too.
>
> I'm... trying to remember the last time I saw one of those actually
> running.... 1995/6 maybe.. wait, that was a 3B2/500, and it was  
> still running
> in 2001. That was our office mail machine.
>
> -- 
> Paul Cartwright
> Registered Linux user # 367800
> Registered Ubuntu User #12459
> http://usdebtclock.org/
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:43:54 -0400
> From: Geoffrey <lists at serioustechnology.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] a moment of silence please
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <4BD9EF8A.3050909 at serioustechnology.com>
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> Paul Cartwright wrote:
>> On Thu April 29 2010, Geoffrey wrote:
>>> I've got two or three 730 consoles, so yes, got those.  Don't know  
>>> about
>>> a network card, have to look at them.  Yes, got all the software  
>>> too.
>>
>> I'm... trying to remember the last time I saw one of those actually
>> running.... 1995/6 maybe.. wait, that was a 3B2/500, and it was  
>> still running
>> in 2001. That was our office mail machine.
>>
>
> The last 3b2 I saw running was around that same time, 3b2 400.  We  
> also
> had a 600 and a 800.  We had just gotten our first 486 and we had SCO
> installed on it. Wow.
>
>
> -- 
> Until later, Geoffrey
>
> "I predict future happiness for America if they can prevent
> the government from wasting the labors of the people under
> the pretense of taking care of them."
> - Thomas Jefferson
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:54:33 -0500
> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ale] geezer notice with meeting idea
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <2A788C428C0542C79ECCB2D9109F04F4 at math.wisc.edu>
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>
> Just to be clear, I was talking about the CUI screen reader called  
> speakup.
> I'm not sure you'd be able to find anyone who actually wanted this  
> machine
> if you built it. The linux CUI has programs for everything and most  
> of them
> are as good as their GUI equivalents. But if you give someone a  
> machine with
> alpine and lynx, I'm not sure you'd be doing them a huge favor.
>
> The only thing I can think of is that it might be of interest to  
> some kid
> just trying to get started with linux. Of course, it seems kind of  
> backward
> to give some blind kid the oldest machine you can put together.  
> "Here you
> go, kid. We deliberately put together the crappiest machine we could  
> but
> look, it talks. Pretty cool, eh?"
>
> It *would* be cool though.
>
> I think the screen reader for gnome, orca,  requires a minimum of a  
> 1 Ghz
> processor and 512 Mb of RAM.
>
> From: "Jim Kinney" <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [ale] geezer notice with meeting idea
>
>
>> How true! That older hardware is more robust than some of this newer
>> stuff.
>>
>> Hmm. A build-it demo to create a solid system for the blind would  
>> make a
>> good group project. And we likely have enough older hardware around  
>> that
>> would make a decent system or two. I know I have a pair of working
>> P4/celeron level mobos with ram and sound. Not fast enough to run  
>> hulu in
>> full screen mode but solid web browsers.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM, John G. Heim <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You know, if you build that thing, it might have a practical use  
>>> as a
>>> computer for a blind person. Not that anyone would actually want  
>>> it given
>>> that in most communities you can pick up a P4 for nothing from  
>>> someone
>>> who
>>> doesn't want to pay the disposal fee.
>>>
>>> Still, I use my original pentium laptop with54 Mb of RAM practically
>>> every
>>> day. You can install linux with speech, mail, web browser, text  
>>> editor,
>>> etc
>>> in less than 512 Mb.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jim Kinney" <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:20 AM
>>> Subject: [ale] geezer notice with meeting idea
>>>
>>>
>>>> Having participated in the "strut your geek cred stuff by showing  
>>>> off
>>>> the
>>>> dusty crap you used, or worse, still have" discussion, it  
>>>> occurred to
>>>> me
>>>> why
>>>> the typical age of attendance at ALE meetings is rarely including  
>>>> those
>>>> who
>>>> cut their computer teeth on Win98.
>>>>
>>>> We are a bunch of crusty ol' farts and some of us have truly  
>>>> horrible
>>>> pack-rat tendencies!
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we should have a meeting that is a show-n-tell session of old
>>>> gear
>>>> that we can still _make_work_. Antiquated technologies  
>>>> demonstration.
>>>> Maybe
>>>> even some ancient Linux on floppy installs that can be done onto  
>>>> that
>>>> old
>>>> 386 you know you still have.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Aaron has an amiga (or twelve) he could demo. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. What is the oldest rig we can scrounge, slap Linux on it and  
>>>> add
>>>> as
>>>> many externals as possible and make it all work. Dual monitor  
>>>> i386SX
>>>> with
>>>> ata & scsi and floppy with network card, modem, scanner, ham rig,
>>> printer,
>>>> sound card, etc...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> James P. Kinney III
>>>> Actively in pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness
>>>> Doing pretty well on all 3 pursuits
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> -- 
>> James P. Kinney III
>> Actively in pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness
>> Doing pretty well on all 3 pursuits
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:52:01 -0400
> From: Larry Johnson <larryfeltonjohnson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] geezer notice with meeting idea
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID:
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> If you wanted to go really retro my late wife was blind, and I
> probably have her 1985 vintage speech synthesizer stored somewhere in
> my back room.  I believe the brand was something like "Vox Talk", and
> accepted a straight ASCII stream across a serial port (which could be
> incomprehensible) but had an instruction set for more understandable
> and human paced voice.
>
> Larry
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> How true! That older hardware is more robust than some of this  
>> newer stuff.
>>
>> Hmm. A build-it demo to create a solid system for the blind would  
>> make a
>> good group project. And we likely have enough older hardware around  
>> that
>> would make a decent system or two. I know I have a pair of working
>> P4/celeron level mobos with ram and sound. Not fast enough to run  
>> hulu in
>> full screen mode but solid web browsers.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM, John G. Heim  
>> <jheim at math.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, if you build that thing, it might have a practical use  
>>> as a
>>> computer for a blind person. Not that anyone would actually want  
>>> it given
>>> that in most communities you can pick up a P4 for nothing from  
>>> someone who
>>> doesn't want to pay the disposal fee.
>>>
>>> Still, I use my original pentium laptop with54 Mb of RAM  
>>> practically every
>>> day. You can install linux with speech, mail, web browser, text  
>>> editor,
>>> etc
>>> in less than 512 Mb.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jim Kinney" <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:20 AM
>>> Subject: [ale] geezer notice with meeting idea
>>>
>>>
>>>> Having participated in the "strut your geek cred stuff by showing  
>>>> off
>>>> the
>>>> dusty crap you used, or worse, still have" discussion, it  
>>>> occurred to me
>>>> why
>>>> the typical age of attendance at ALE meetings is rarely including  
>>>> those
>>>> who
>>>> cut their computer teeth on Win98.
>>>>
>>>> We are a bunch of crusty ol' farts and some of us have truly  
>>>> horrible
>>>> pack-rat tendencies!
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we should have a meeting that is a show-n-tell session of  
>>>> old gear
>>>> that we can still _make_work_. Antiquated technologies  
>>>> demonstration.
>>>> Maybe
>>>> even some ancient Linux on floppy installs that can be done onto  
>>>> that
>>>> old
>>>> 386 you know you still have.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Aaron has an amiga (or twelve) he could demo. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. What is the oldest rig we can scrounge, slap Linux on it and  
>>>> add as
>>>> many externals as possible and make it all work. Dual monitor  
>>>> i386SX
>>>> with
>>>> ata & scsi and floppy with network card, modem, scanner, ham rig,
>>>> printer,
>>>> sound card, etc...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> James P. Kinney III
>>>> Actively in pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness
>>>> Doing pretty well on all 3 pursuits
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- 
>>> --- 
>>> --- 
>>> --- 
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> James P. Kinney III
>> Actively in pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness
>> Doing pretty well on all 3 pursuits
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:53:39 -0400
> From: Paul Cartwright <ale at pcartwright.com>
> Subject: [ale] gopher
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <201004292053.39552.ale at pcartwright.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"
>
> wow,
> back in the early 90's I used to bypass the AT&T web block by using  
> gopher ..
> now:
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/04/29/2141254/All-of-Gopherspace-Available-For-Download?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:
> +Slashdot/slashdot+(Slashdot)
>
> An anonymous reader writes
> "Cory Doctorow tells us that '[i]n 2007, John Goerzen scraped every  
> gopher
> site he could find (gopher was a menu-driven text-only precursor to  
> the Web;
> I got my first online gig programming gopher sites). He saved 780,000
> documents, totalling 40GB. Today, most of this is offline, so he's  
> making the
> entire archive available as a .torrent file; the compressed data is  
> only
> 15GB. Wanna host the entire history of a medium? Here's your  
> chance!' Get
> yourself a piece of pre-Internet history (torrent)."
>
> -- 
> Paul Cartwright
> Registered Linux user # 367800
> Registered Ubuntu User #12459
> http://usdebtclock.org/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:08:08 -0400
> From: James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] gopher
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID:
>    <s2ned62030a1004291808l7e29f7ccte4e17a9859a51a83 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Gopher, despite popular belief, is not dead --
> http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/ . Therefore, there is no way one
> download is going to contain "the entire history" of Gopher domains.
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Paul Cartwright  
> <ale at pcartwright.com> wrote:
>> wow,
>> back in the early 90's I used to bypass the AT&T web block by using  
>> gopher ..
>> now:
>> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/04/29/2141254/All-of-Gopherspace-Available-For-Download?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:
>> +Slashdot/slashdot+(Slashdot)
>>
>> An anonymous reader writes
>> "Cory Doctorow tells us that '[i]n 2007, John Goerzen scraped every  
>> gopher
>> site he could find (gopher was a menu-driven text-only precursor to  
>> the Web;
>> I got my first online gig programming gopher sites). He saved 780,000
>> documents, totalling 40GB. Today, most of this is offline, so he's  
>> making the
>> entire archive available as a .torrent file; the compressed data is  
>> only
>> 15GB. Wanna host the entire history of a medium? Here's your  
>> chance!' Get
>> yourself a piece of pre-Internet history (torrent)."
>
>
>
> -- 
> James Sumners
> http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
>
> "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
> pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
> is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
> drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
>
> Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
> CH:D 59
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:15:59 -0400
> From: Michael Trausch <mike at trausch.us>
> Subject: Re: [ale] gopher
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <1272590159.2120.8.camel at fennel.trausch.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:08 -0400, James Sumners wrote:
>> Gopher, despite popular belief, is not dead --
>> http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/ . Therefore, there is no way one
>> download is going to contain "the entire history" of Gopher domains.
>
> There is also the gopherspace at SDF:
>
>  gopher://sdf.lonestar.org/
>
>    --- Mike
>
> -- 
> Even if their crude and anticompetitive business practices don't make
> you think about using their software, their use of sweatshops and  
> child
> labor should:  boycott Microsoft like you would any other amoral child
> abuser:  http://is.gd/btW8m
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:22:41 -0400
> From: Geoffrey <lists at serioustechnology.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] gopher
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <4BDA30E1.1000401 at serioustechnology.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> James Sumners wrote:
>> Gopher, despite popular belief, is not dead --
>> http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/ . Therefore, there is no way one
>> download is going to contain "the entire history" of Gopher domains.
>
> Well the article does say 'most of this is offline.'
>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Paul Cartwright  
>> <ale at pcartwright.com> wrote:
>>> wow,
>>> back in the early 90's I used to bypass the AT&T web block by  
>>> using gopher ..
>>> now:
>>> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/04/29/2141254/All-of-Gopherspace-Available-For-Download?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:
>>> +Slashdot/slashdot+(Slashdot)
>>>
>>> An anonymous reader writes
>>> "Cory Doctorow tells us that '[i]n 2007, John Goerzen scraped  
>>> every gopher
>>> site he could find (gopher was a menu-driven text-only precursor  
>>> to the Web;
>>> I got my first online gig programming gopher sites). He saved  
>>> 780,000
>>> documents, totalling 40GB. Today, most of this is offline, so he's  
>>> making the
>>> entire archive available as a .torrent file; the compressed data  
>>> is only
>>> 15GB. Wanna host the entire history of a medium? Here's your  
>>> chance!' Get
>>> yourself a piece of pre-Internet history (torrent)."
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Until later, Geoffrey
>
> "I predict future happiness for America if they can prevent
> the government from wasting the labors of the people under
> the pretense of taking care of them."
> - Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:25:32 -0400
> From: Paul Cartwright <ale at pcartwright.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] gopher
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <201004292125.32254.ale at pcartwright.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Thu April 29 2010, James Sumners wrote:
>> Gopher, despite popular belief, is not dead --
>> http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/ . Therefore, there is no way one
>> download is going to contain "the entire history" of Gopher domains.
>
> I used to use gopher pages to look up STUFF back  then, like I do  
> now on
> wikipedia... Gopher was an amazing.... app?
>
>
> -- 
> Paul Cartwright
> Registered Linux user # 367800
> Registered Ubuntu User #12459
> http://usdebtclock.org/
>
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