[ale] [rant] I dislike "we only support winblows/OS X"AT&T internet
Jeff Lightner
jlightner at water.com
Mon Mar 3 15:07:53 EST 2008
Well it was a specious argument anyway because it assumes that the phone
company plays nice the way it is supposed to by law.
By law the people that own the wire (ILEC = Incumbent Local Exchange
Carrier) were supposed to open it up to resellers (CLEC = Competitive
Local Exchange Carrier) in exchange for being allowed to sell long
distance. What the ILECs did instead is pretend they were "open" but
then do everything they could to sabotage the CLECs (e.g. not doing the
central office connections in a timely fashion) so that CLECs couldn't
really make a go of anything other than business connections.
Unfortunately the FCC which was supposed to insure this didn't happen
got taken over by Dubya appointees and suddenly it didn't matter that
the ILECs weren't complying.
You're supposed to have a choice but you don't really for the most part.
Witness the poster who has DSL from AT&T but for some reason can't get
it from any of the resellers because of the way it is provisioned.
-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
Jeremy T. Bouse
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:14 PM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] [rant] I dislike "we only support winblows/OS X"AT&T
internet
Actually have you checked out http://www.att.net/legal/tos cause those
specs you mention are no where within it nor is the explicit mention of
Windows or Mac. Closest I can find is section 3. Equipment & Software
and all it really says is:
Due to the infinite number of possible combinations of hardware and
software, you are responsible for the compatibility of your system
with the Service. Any equipment that was not provided to you by AT&T
is not the responsibility of AT&T , and AT&T will not provide
support and will not be responsible for ongoing maintenance or
management of such equipment. Any AT&T-provided modem will be either
a new or a fully inspected, tested, and warranted return or
repackaged unit.
Which I can understand, I provide my own router/access point behind
their DSL modem I'm not asking them to support that router but I am
asking them to support their connectivity which they do provide and thus
should support. Yes I've had their modems fail, I've also replaced my
separately purchased Sangoma S518 ADSL card with their provided
Speedstream to prove a problem was not my modem but the line as the same
problem was occuring. If your call to tech support is network
connectivity reasons, which I know for me is the only time I do ever
call, then nothing in their TOS (so far as I can see) says support can
be withheld because of your operating system.
<http://www.att.net/legal/tos>
Ned Williams wrote:
> You miss my point.
>
> Regardless of what it takes to do a ping..you have their service you
> agreed to their terms of service, that TOS states they only support
> windows...that means you understood at the time of getting the service
> that calling in because your Linux connected machine has a problem is
> a lost cause. The effect of the operating system is not what is up
> for debate, the effect of the contract the customer agrees too, is. Is
> it a wrongly minded contract sure if your a Linux person, but that is
> not of any consequence to AT&T. .If you don't like, don't be their
> customer. That is your greatest method to effect chance upon them.
>
>
> Ned
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse
> <jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net <mailto:jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net>>
wrote:
>
> But again these specs you quote also fall back to the issue of
what
> affect the Operating System has on OS-independent network routing
> issues. Those are really specs for software being installed not
> what is
> needed to provide a level of network service connectivity. If they
ask
> you to do a ping does it really matter what OS you do it from?
> Same for
> traceroute, opening a web page, etc...
>
> Ned Williams wrote:
> > If you have 19 machines on a network, why don't you have a
> switch and
> > a router and not force a linux box to do the job of the
> aforementioned
> > 10 dollar router?
> > Sorry I know there are people out there who insist on
demonstrating
> > value in their stll creaking along 486/66 by making it their
dsl
> > router/firewall...but I mean rather than get spitting mad on the
> phone
> > with techs who you KNOW are not going to know squat about linux
nor
> > are they required too...(a google of "AT&T system requirements"
> first
> > hit spells out what they are required to support)
> >
> > * Intel or equivalent Pentium Pro, II, III, or IV at 133MHz
> or faster
> > * Windows 95/98/ME/XP or Windows NT 4.0/2000 (TCP/IP and
> Ethernet
> > support must be enabled)
> > * RAM -
> > o Windows 95/98/XP - 32 MB
> > o Windows NT - 32 MB
> > * Hard drive with 100 megabytes available
> > * Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC) or built-in Ethernet
> port
> > supporting 10 Base-T
> > * CD ROM
> > * Microsoft^(r) TCP/IP stack
> >
> >
> > This means when you, you're gf, your mom,dad uncle or whomever
has
> > their service all agreed to these terms when you got the
service..
> >
> > don't agree fine, get speak easy, they support Linux and your
blood
> > pressure will be lower...but don't expect the AT&T's Chennai
> support
> > center to understand the eccentricities of the latest Debian
> release,
> > when their product list is limited to windows only..
> >
> > and hey if it helps..they don't support Vista either
> >
> > Ned
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse
> > <jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net <mailto:jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net>
> <mailto:jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net
> <mailto:jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > The other problem with being able to go with any one
> other than the
> > telco is if you're like me, stuck behind a remote DSLAM the
> telco
> > won't
> > provide the resellers with the ability to service you. Every
DSL
> > provider claims they can't service my house but I have the
top
> > speed DSL
> > from AT&T. Luckily I don't have to call them for support too
> often
> > considering I've got a very non-standard configuration in
the
> > house that
> > would drive their script-readers nuts, along with myself
> trying to
> > explain it to them.
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