[ale] Mojave experiment

[Joshua Chase]

I think the "normal" user definition is changing also. Even moms and
dads "like mine" are using DV cameras, uploading their digital
pictures and downloading music to their ipods. I think the "power"
user gap is quickly starting to narrow simply because people are
becoming more savy. Most computer users I run across are at least
familiar with how to rip a cd, import video, and even encode mp3 files
to other formats to play as a ringtone on their mobile phone.

Of these users most if not all have had horrible experiences
performing these tasks on Vista. The biggest complaint? "Its so slow.
Its doing something, but I'm not sure what." Also, for gaming Vista
has been an awful platform. Most of the gaming threads I've read are
all recommending vista 64 bit or to go back to XP if possible.

In any case, to me it seems like Vista has been somewhat socially
rejected as a good operating system. I think Microsoft is doing the
only thing they can do at this point which is to save face, change
their image and try to be more appealing.

Sorry for any typos, I'm replying from my blackberry.


On 8/5/08, Jeff Lightner <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> I'm talking about the same kind of users.  Friends and family that
> wouldn't know Linux if it bit them in the rear.
>
> The good thing about Vista is it has made at least one person ask me to
> blow away Vista and load Linux on their laptop because they'd rather
> learn something they've heard me speak of glowingly than bother with M$'
> non-support.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Forsaken
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:09 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Mojave experiment
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> On Aug 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Jeff Lightner wrote:
>
>> Lol
>>
>> Vista not bad for normal end users?
>>
>> Meaning normal end users never try to get printers and other devices
>> that worked flawlessly with their older XP system but now can't be
>> made
>> to work on Vista even with a gun pointed to its head?
>
> When I say normal end users, I'm talking about the folks who sit down
> in front of their computers, check their email, do their online
> banking, visit ebay, and maybe print a few lolcats here and there.
> Honestly, I haven't heard of that many problems with printer drivers,
> but the folks I know all use HP printers, so I'm not really surprised.
> Most of the folks I know bitching about Vista are the ones with high
> end systems with high end video cards and sound cards that they built
> themselves (ie, power users). Not your average housewife who went to
> Wal-Mart and bought an HP computer off the shelf.
>
>> Your parents may have been lucky or maybe just do minimal things.  The
>> few people I know that have tried Vista (including at least one
>> professional Windoze Admin) think its sucks wind.
>
> I'm pretty sure I said that anyone with a clue knows better when it
> comes to Vista ;) The professional windows admin you referenced
> probably qualifies as that (or maybe not, most windows admins I know
> are secretly linux geeks and just admin windows boxes to pay the
> bills!) My old laptop came with Vista pre-installed (and only a gig of
> RAM as well.. wtf were they thinking?). It never got a chance to boot.
> First thing I did was insert and XP disc and boot that (and, of
> course, after that install was done, a boot off of an Ubuntu disc
> immediately followed)
>
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