Fwd: [ale] Miguel de Icaza and Mono?

[Geoffrey]

Carolinux.com wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:15:31 -0400, Geoffrey <esoteric at 3times25.net> wrote:
> 
>>Bob Evans wrote:
>>
>>><tyrade>
>>>Actually after Miguel finished Ximian Gnome & Evolution, he said that
>>>Mono was a logical next step.
>>
>>I'm not sure I see that.  Gnome is a desktop environment that has no
>>ties to M$ technologies at all.  The same goes for Evolution (no ties to
>>M$ technologies).  If Miguel wanted to build a development environment,
>>he could do so with out having it tied to .NET.
> 
> Gnome can run on either Linux or Windows. It thus directly competes
> with $MS. Evolution (with the connector piece) can replace Microsoft
> Outlook in an Exchange environment. Another direct competition with
> $MS.

I'd appreciate it if you could provide some pointers to the Windows 
Gnome source.  I can not find a reference to it on the gnome website.  I 
would have thought they would have mentioned a windows port because of 
the huge user base, but this is what it says on the gnome page:

'GNOME runs on a variety of platforms, including GNU/Linux (commonly 
called Linux), Solaris, HP-UX, BSD and Apple's Darwin.'

I also was not aware that Evolution could do this as of yet.  This is 
good news for those folks who are stuck communicating to an exchange server.

>>>Most PC's run Microsoft OS.
>>
>>Your point?
>>
> 
> My point is that he is writing product that can run in that space...

Fair enough.  Personally, I don't think we want to enhance the windows 
user space, that is a personal opinion.

>>>.NET is here to stay.
> 
>>Your opinion.  
> 
> It will be around as long as Microsoft.

Ah, so not much longer then. :)

>>Like Microsoft Bob?
> 
> 
> Is that a jab at ME?

No, you made a connection I wasn't witty enough to. ;)  I was simply 
referring to that product of M$ that was a resounding failure.  There 
was no personal jab intended.

>>>Why WOULDN'T one of the sharpest open source developers want to cash in on MS?
>>
>>I don't knock anyone making money off of M$ based systems.  I become
>>concerned with it when it appears someone is going to sell out to M$.
>>Mono depends on .NET.  So the open source world begins to use Mono, then
>>M$ changes .NET.  What happens?
> 
> 
> As long as Microsoft is in the picture they will support .NET and the
> efforts of developers to use .NET.

My point here is that .NET is proprietary.  I don't doubt they will 
continue to support it.  Point is, what happens down the road when .NET 
and Mono are humming along fine and working so well together.  Then M$ 
makes a proprietary change to .NET that causes problems with mono? 
They've done this before.

>>>I have been at it since '78, and I still make a lot more off the MS
>>>world than the open source one.
>>
>>The fact that you've been at it that long would reinforce the fact that
>>you have made more $$$ from M$ then open source.  I'm not sure I see
>>that as relevant.
> 
> The point (again) is that we all need to make a living.If you can pay
> all your bills supporting Open Source solutions, great. That's a
> smaller market than $MS, that's all.

Fair enough, and fortunately, I am in the position to pay the bills 
through open source development, right now.  A lot of luck and a little 
bit of skill put me in that position, although I don't expect it to last 
forever.  I do dabble a bit in supporting windows because there is so 
much out there (and so many problems to fix).

-- 
Until later, Geoffrey       Registered Linux User #108567
                             AT&T Certified UNIX System Programmer - 1995