[ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list

Greg runman at speedfactory.net
Thu Jan 1 12:45:31 EST 2004


Linux Torvalds hated it and considered it crap, according to the book "An
Accidental Revolutionary"
Greg

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org]On Behalf Of
> matty91 at bellsouth.net
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:52 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Chris Ricker wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, aaron wrote:
> >
> > > As I believe I have pointed out before with info like...
> > > <http://developer.apple.com/unix/index.html>
> > > ...there is nothing of "emulation" about it. The integral,
> low level FreeBSD
> > > Unix layer handles the overwhelming majority of OSeX network
> interaction and
> > > program API's. The full FreeBSD kernel (currently FreeBSD 5
> with OSeX Panther
> > > 10.3.x) is about as far from "rudimentary" as it gets.
> >
> > Not really. All your basic OS functionality (memory management,
> > multitasking, scheduling, etc.) is provided by Mach. The Unix
> emulation is
> > through the FreeBSD / NetBSD mish-mash OS personality which
> rides on top of
> > that.
> >
> > To me, it's not appreciably different than installing Cygwin on NT and
> > calling that "Unix on the desktop".... Neither really are, or
> are "desktop
> > Unix done right" -- they're both command-line unix-like worlds
> (for the most
> > part, though some aspects of both OS X and cygwin's Unix layer are just
> > weird) side-by-side with basically separate, non-integrated,
> non-Unix GUI
> > worlds.
> >
> > *shrug* I'm not sure what a really graphical desktop-oriented Unix would
> > look like (or if it's possible -- how do you GUI an inherently
> textual OS?),
> > but OS X ain't it, IMO.
> >
>
> I am starting to wonder if migrating OS X to Linux makes sense. With the
> introduction of the Linux 2.6 kernel, and the scalability and security
> enhancements, I wonder if Apple might consider using the Linux kernel
> instread of the Mach micro kernel? From a raw resource perspective, Apple
> would gain the development efforts of thousands and thousands of
> developers, though porting it would prob take time. Has anyone studied the
> Mach kernel? How  does it stack up with other OSs on multiple procs?
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