[ale] Fedora and RHN?

[Michael D. Hirsch]

On Thursday 06 November 2003 05:39 pm, Michael D. Hirsch wrote:
> On Thursday 06 November 2003 04:29 pm, Dow Hurst wrote:
> > I bet if you looked at the numbers, that RedHat's income is primarily
> > derived from corporate support.  I wouldn't bet that the boxed set
> > actually brought in large amounts of income.
> > Dow
>
> My claim is that they got all that corporate support because they were so
> dominant on the desktop.  The IT cheif asks what RH to use and the real

heh heh heh.  Of course, I meant "what _Linux_ to use".  Oops <blush/>

> techies say "Well, I'm running RH at home so I know how to maintain it."
> That's the main reason we haven't used Debian anywhere I've
> worked--everyone know how to play RedHat.  That's gonna change, now.
>
> Michael
>
> > Michael D. Hirsch wrote:
> > >On Thursday 06 November 2003 03:26 pm, Stuffed Crust wrote:
> > >>On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 06:49:56AM -0600, Preston Boyington wrote:
> > >>>>Personally, I am now looking for a new *nix distro to run my servers
> > >>>>on.  I've been a supporter of Redhat for my server solutions
> > >>>>for a while
> > >>>>now, but $179/year minimum is too rich for me, sad to say.
> > >>>
> > >>>Debian...
> > >>
> > >>Question.  How is Fedora Core 1 any different from, say, RedHat Linux
> > >> 9?
> > >>
> > >>People are complaining about how Redhat isn't supporting non-enterprise
> > >>users any more, bla bla bla.. but.. they didn't support Joe Random
> > >>Downloader anyway.  If you wanted support from RH you had to pay for it
> > >>before, be it in the form of a boxed set or a commercial/enterprise
> > >>arrangement or whatever.
> > >>
> > >>If you were already paying RH money, you'll keep paying 'em money.  If
> > >>you weren't paying 'em money before, you don't have to pay 'em a dime
> > >> to continue receiving the same level of support they always provided
> > >> -- ie, none.  In short, nothing has changed.
> > >>
> > >>What has changed from the user's perspective?  s/RedHat/Fedora/g
> > >>That's it.
> > >
> > >Um, no.  I support my Dad's linux box, and we supported linux by buying
> > > the boxed set.  Call it $50 every other year, or so.  In exchange we
> > > got printed docs, a little bit of support, a stable platform, the
> > > knowledge that RH will provide me with security updates, and we get to
> > > run the same code RedHat sells to companies.  To continue will cost
> > > $179/year (discounted to $89.50 until April--so act now) about 600% of
> > > the original cost (only 300% with the discount!).
> > >
> > >If I go with Fedora I get no printed docs, no support, a less stable
> > > platform (in the sense that it is intended to be more cutting edge and
> > > have more frequent updates--not that it will crash), and I'll be
> > > running code that RH doesn't think is ready to ship to crporate users. 
> > > I would guess that Fedora will be just as proactive about pushing out
> > > updates, though they are only saying they will support each release for
> > > a few months after the next one is out--call it 8-10 months.  RH
> > > supported 6.x with security updates for years!
> > >
> > >I think that RH has shot itself in the foot.  The core of RH's business
> > > came from people that had been using RH at home or on the side because
> > > they could download it for free.  These people end up using it at work
> > > and then convincing mgmt to pay RH for it.  It was the standard drug
> > > dealer marketing campaign--give out free sample then change once your
> > > customers are hooked.
> > >
> > >RH has lost the ability to seduce new users.  yes, there is still
> > > Fedora, but the impression is that Fedora is not RH so even if Fedora
> > > is just as popular as RH was, transfering from Fedora to RH will not be
> > > the no brainer going from RH to RH was.
> > >
> > >Michael
> > >
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