[ale] New website for H1B [Slightly OT]

[Zyman, Andy]

yeah, right....
 it is ok to pay lawyer $300 per hour, bit it' not Ok for programmer to ask
$80 per hour. ... 
Difference is - they can't offshore lawyers... yet.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ChangingLINKS.com [mailto:x3 at ChangingLINKS.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] New website for H1B [Slightly OT]
> 
> 
> On Monday 26 May 2003 10:48, George Johnson wrote:
> > It all boils down to one simple thing to me.  The companies say they
> > need to cut costs to compete in the market place but if a 
> man cannot get
> > a job and thus has no money does it really matter how cheap 
> the good or
> > service is since he cannot afford it at any price?
> >
> > gj
> 
> It "boils up" from there though. US programmers use that 
> extreme argument, 
> ignoring the fact there is not just 1 man/employee/consumer and 1 
> company/employer/producer - in an effort to get employers to 
> "buy American."
> 
> From what I have seen US programmers are like to Microsoft 
> and "offshore" 
> programmers are like Linux (and that seems to include George 
> Carless, and 
> maybe everyone on this list). Overpriced, slow, less 
> (emotionally) stable, 
> egotistical, wanting to maintain a monopoly VS. cheaper, 
> quick, professional, 
> humble (here is your working code, is there anything else you 
> need?), just 
> wanting the work, and get paid the US dollar.
> 
> Further, I worked with one US programmer that had charged 
> $5-7000 for a golf 
> web site, and then felt he was owed another $10,000 in the 
> event the client 
> wanted "ownership" of the code and graphics. He went on to 
> say that the code 
> he had written for me was owned by him and that I could not 
> sell the code 
> even though we had no written/verbal agreement to support it. 
> Rather than 
> argue the point, I simply re-wrote the code (several times) 
> so that nothing 
> he did is in use anymore. I consider this attitude 
> "proprietary" (like MSFT).
> 
> Until the US programmers drop the attitude that they are 
> "steak" and offshore 
> as "meatloaf" (like Grant implied yesterday) the work will go 
> offshore. 
> 
>        Want companies to buy American and "save America?" 
> Don't form a union (LOL) . . . be part of the solution and 
> not the problem.
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
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