[ale] New website for H1B [Slightly OT]

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On Monday 26 May 2003 10:48, George Johnson wrote:
> It all boils down to one simple thing to me.  The companies say they
> need to cut costs to compete in the market place but if a man cannot get
> a job and thus has no money does it really matter how cheap the good or
> service is since he cannot afford it at any price?
>
> gj

It "boils up" from there though. US programmers use that extreme argument, 
ignoring the fact there is not just 1 man/employee/consumer and 1 
company/employer/producer - in an effort to get employers to "buy American."

>From what I have seen US programmers are like to Microsoft and "offshore" 

programmers are like Linux (and that seems to include George Carless, and 
maybe everyone on this list). Overpriced, slow, less (emotionally) stable, 
egotistical, wanting to maintain a monopoly VS. cheaper, quick, professional, 
humble (here is your working code, is there anything else you need?), just 
wanting the work, and get paid the US dollar.

Further, I worked with one US programmer that had charged $5-7000 for a golf 
web site, and then felt he was owed another $10,000 in the event the client 
wanted "ownership" of the code and graphics. He went on to say that the code 
he had written for me was owned by him and that I could not sell the code 
even though we had no written/verbal agreement to support it. Rather than 
argue the point, I simply re-wrote the code (several times) so that nothing 
he did is in use anymore. I consider this attitude "proprietary" (like MSFT).

Until the US programmers drop the attitude that they are "steak" and offshore 
as "meatloaf" (like Grant implied yesterday) the work will go offshore. 

       Want companies to buy American and "save America?" 
Don't form a union (LOL) . . . be part of the solution and not the problem.

Drew


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