[ale] New website for H1B [Slightly OT]

[roncordell at attbi.com]

Unions for IT workers? Hmmm.... more overhead for just about nothing except making it more 
difficult to compete against non-unionized work forces. Doesn't seem a good thing to me. 
 
The problem is not with the management, the engineers, or those in government - it is with all 
of them. The truth of the matter is that we as an engineering community have failed to deliver 
the goods time and time again. In general, the ability of IT to deliver on promises is poor. And 
the fingers can point in any direction for this. So why not make the same mistakes, just with 
less expensive resources? That's the message and the reason for offshoring development and 
IT. 
 
The only way to keep companies from pushing more IT offshore is to just do it better than 
anyone else can, regardless of the price. Not as individuals (obviously, we each think we do 
pretty well, don't we?), but as a group of professionals. 
 
For some reason, Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged keeps coming to mind... 
> ...  i just "like"  these news
> http://news.com.com/2100-1011_3-1009684.html?tag=fd_top
> 
> I think instead of "fighting/hating H1b" we _all_ should concentrate on this
> problem and the problem of absence of union for IT workers. Or in next 3
> years all we will have to do is swipe streets ...
> 
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT :
> 
> I always had some strange impression that problem is not in engineers/poor
> code/design, but in management.... But it is just my silly thoughts...
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George Carless [mailto:kafka at antichri.st]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: ale
> > Subject: Re: [ale] New website for H1B [Slightly OT]
> > 
> > 
> > As a web developer working in the US on an H1-B, I would suggest that
> > sites like http://www.nomoreh1b.com, with their horrible 
> > code, poor design
> > and reactionary content, demonstrate the necessity for 
> > bringing developers
> > into the country.  If more people would expend their energies 
> > on educating

> > themselves, learning to write well and develop clean code -- 
> > rather than
> > in blaming others for their misfortunes -- they might find it 
> > easier to
> > find jobs.
> > 
> > But hey, what would I know?  I'm just a foreigner.
> > 
> > --George
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 25 May 2003, George Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > > Was watching a CNN report tonight about this subject.  
> > Seems that our
> > > complaints are getting somewhere gradually as Congress is 
> > to bring up
> > > the H1B program this fall and decide what to do with it then.
> > >
> > > Here is a very good site on the subject.  http://www.nomoreh1b.com/
> > >
> > > I am having some problems getting the video of the Orlando 
> > news article
> > > to run as the CNN report seems to have the site bogged down 
> > a little.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
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