I was looking at the suggested link and it seems that Kivio will do 3d stuff. http://www.thekompany.com/products/kivio/screenshots.php3?PHPSESSID=6bc9f32a a20356d1f07eedb269d6d9d7 _______________________________________________ Ale mailing list Ale at ale.org http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale