[ale] RE: ALE NW meeting last night

[hbbs at attbi.com]

One thing that I wanted to say about VMware is that what it really provides is 
a virtualized BIOS and x86 machine into which one would install an operating 
system, just as though one were performing an installation on an otherwise 
blank machine.  If follows that you need to possess (and, in installing it on 
VMware, *consume*) a license of WinWhatever.  

Also, VMware runs on either Linux or Windows NT and up, and in either case, you 
can install any number of OSses into it, meaning that you can have Lin on Lin 
or Win on Win in addition to Win on Lin or Lin on Win.  IIRC, the BSDs and 
perhaps OS/2 are also installable to VMware.  

One way to look at it is as being the ultimate chroot.  IIRC, one way to 
configure it is that you create files on your host machine that become the disk 
drives of your virtual machine, meaning that everything operates within a nice 
little bubble.  You can stop a VMware instance, copy off those files, restart 
the VMware instance, and your copies become snapshots of the virtual machine's 
state at the point you stopped the instance.  

- Jeff
> Dia and Kivio are some of the open source equivalents to Visio, but there
> will probably not be an open source program that uses the Visio format as it
> is closed (I am guessing probably copyrighted/patented to the max).  I would
> suggest getting Win4Lin (faster and cheaper) or VMWare (an actual full blown
> simulation that offers a student discount) and running one of them on top of
> Linux.  Your Visio will likely run faster under Win4Lin on Linux than on a
> native Windows98 only box. Sad comment on MS, huh ???
> 
> This is what I did since I *needed* Quicken when I converted.  Windows
> became just a window (get it ?) on a terminal to me.
> 
> Glad you enjoyed the presentations.
> 
> Greg Canter
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf Of Greg
> > Harris
> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:52 PM
> > To: ale at ale.org
> > Subject: [ale] RE: ALE NW meeting last night
> >
> >
> > I am a student at KSU and a member of the LUG.
> >
> > >> Thanks to Greg Canter and Jeff Hubbs for a superb tag team
> > presentation.
> >
> > I think both presentations went very well and probably opened
> > some (student's) eyes about Linux.  Unfortunately,
> > a lot of the students had classes at 9:30 and were forced to
> > bail-out on the second lecture (more pizza for the
> > rest of us).  The whole point of last night's meeting was to
> > increase awareness on campus, and I think it quite
> > obvious that we achvieved that goal.
> >
> > >> So, I'd like feedback from anyone who attended.  What did you
> > like, not like.
> >
> > The only thing I did not like was the fact that a lot of students
> > were only there for the extra credit...  I did
> > not like the mass exodus before the second presentation.
> > However, as I said above, we achieved the goal.  Next
> > time there will be more genuine interest.
> >
> > >> How did that all go?  Was the timing of the pizza arrival good
> > or was it an interuption?
> >
> > The pizza timing was good as far as I could tell... it was
> > actually delivered before the installation demo was
> > over, but amazingly, everyone stayed in their seats until the
> > presentation was concluded.
> >
> > >> Thanks for all who attended.  I'm looking for suggestions for
> > upcoming presentations
> > >> as well as folks who would like to give a presentation.
> >
> > I have been using Linux for a couple years now and have installed
> > Redhat and SuSE several times - but I have
> > only recently formatted my windows hdd and turned completely to
> > Linux on my home desktop.  That said, I am still
> > a newbie, but I would like to learn more in terms of network
> > configuration, (basic) security...  maybe tips and
> > tricks with emacs, vi or other editors (i am not trying to start
> > a religious war here).
> >
> > Dr. Gayler mentioned a side-by-side comparision of editors in
> > Linux vs. M$.  I think this is a great idea and
> > would generate interest from the Computer Science majors and
> > other programmer types at the school.  Greg eluded
> > to this topic last night when he compared the price of M$ editors
> > vs. the price of powerful Linux editors.
> >
> > The Computer Science department has recently started requiring
> > the upper-level students to telnet into their
> > school account and use pico or vi to write their programs.  Dow
> > spent a few minutes giving a vi tutorial to one
> > of these students.  Sounds like a good topic.
> >
> > >> One suggestion I received yesterday was that we should make a visual
> > >> comparison of software packages between Windows and Linux.  That is,
> > >> actually fire up a windows box and a Linux box and make a step by step
> > >> comparison of features and functionality.  I think this is a
> > great idea,
> > >> but it would probably require a number of presenters to step
> > up, since I
> > >> doubt there's anyone who knows everything about a full install of any
> > >> distro.
> >
> > This would be a very good topic (sounds like the one above from
> > Dr. Gayler).  The only reason I still have Win98
> > on my laptop is because I have to turn in Visio files for one of
> > my classes.  If only OpenOffice could generate
> > those...  I think a comparision of OpenOffice or StarOffice with
> > M$ office would be excellent.  I am sure a lot
> > of the students do not realize that they can create, read and
> > edit .doc, .xls and .ppt files with OpenOffice.
> >
> > This has gotten long enough... thank you to the ALE members that
> > put up with all the newbies last night.
> >
> > -Greg
> > --------------------------------------------
> > It's a big enough umbrella,
> > But it's always me that ends up getting wet.
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
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