[ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list

[matty91 at bellsouth.net]

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Greg wrote:

> ok, we are up to 3-4 things that Linux needs that Windows doesn't have - and
> that's not including several dozen that I could add ....
>
> hmmmm ... wonder why linux is not taking over the desktop ......

I have also found it a pain to integrate streaming media services into
mozilla/opera/etc. While gstreamer is cool in concept, it has a LONG
ways to go. They really need to integrate usable CODECS into the
default installation (or at least the ones that aren't copyrighted).


>
> Greg
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org]On Behalf Of
> > Matthew Brown
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:18 AM
> > To: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com; 'Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts'
> > Subject: RE: [ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list
> >
> >
> > A good WYSIWYG HTML editor and a more excellent graphics editor wouldn't
> > hurt either.
> >
> > I like the text-based editors fine, but WYSIWYG will bring on the masses
> > of web folk.  Along with that, we need something like a PhotoShop or PSP
> > on Linux.  IMHO, the Gimp is just not there, as good as it is.  Maybe
> > someone should talk to their Adobe contacts on these.
> >
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> > Christopher Fowler
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:12 AM
> > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list
> >
> >
> > A decent CRM like ACT! or GoldMine needs to be written also.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 08:08, walter Sams wrote:
> > > Geoffrey has a good reply to the MS marketer
> > >
> > > A cattle rancher should not feed the wolves hoping they will leave.
> > > >From my business perspective, all linux needs to take over the
> > > >desktop
> > > now is a fax program to compete with winfax.  Once someone is able to
> > > write this and make it available for under 400.00 There will be no
> > > need to buy MS products to run an office.  Then let them show me how
> > > they will save me money instead of bleeding me dry with licensing,
> > > upgrades and support.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 09:53, David Corbin wrote:
> > > > I'm with Geoffrey on this.  MS business policy/strategy is to lock
> > > > their
> > > > customers in.  I don't see how telling them what we want is going to
> > convince
> > > > them to change.   All you're doing is telling them WHERE they should
> > be
> > > > locking their customers in.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 19 December 2003 09:33, Chris Ricker wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Geoffrey wrote:
> > > > > > I'll let you know.  I'll give you my perspective.  I personally
> > > > > > see Microsoft as a marketing company that tries to write
> > > > > > software.  You'll not get a lot of pleasant responses from me
> > > > > > or, I suspect from this group.
> > > > >
> > > > > My take is a bit different than yours, Geoffrey. Let the man post
> > > > > his survey and we can tell him what we'd like from Microsoft.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'd like from MS is true interoperability. Open formats, open
> >
> > > > > standards, open protocols. Changing this would not hurt MS sales,
> > > > > either. The world already has all the MS-only shops it's going to
> > > > > get. For the rest of us in the real world working in multivendor
> > > > > environments, dealing with MS proprietary lockin is extremely
> > > > > expensive and painful, and hurts MS sales in such environments. We
> >
> > > > > actively look for open solutions just because we have to integrate
> >
> > > > > with everything from Windows to Linux to other Unix to mainframes.
> >
> > > > > MS products don't get considered very long with such needs because
> >
> > > > > they're not suitable.
> > > > >
> > > > > later,
> > > > > chris
> > > > >
> > > > > PS In case it's not clear, by open I mean standard, documented,
> > > > > and unencumbered by patents, not necessarily free or open source.
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