[ale] KDE reinstall
Nathan J. Underwood
nathan.underwood at cybertechcafe.net
Thu Aug 7 14:27:02 EDT 2003
Whew, I was hoping that the cavalry would come :-D
Quoting "James P. Kinney III" <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com>:
> A warning. --nodeps can cause things to fail later in mysterious ways.
>
> The "correct" way is to resolve all the dependencies. If a package can't
> be removed because something else uses parts of it, then don't remove it
> with --nodeps. Remove the package that uses it first, then the original
> package.
>
> The dependency hell come up when a package builder _requires_
> Lib-foo-<version-x-only> instead of libfoo-x or higher.
>
> Anytime you are tinkering with the gnome or KDE packages, you can break
> lots of stuff by using rpm -e foo --nodeps.
>
> For installing Netscrape, try using the tar.gz version instead. Then you
> can put it in /usr/local and rpm's won't mess with it.
>
> The other option, which I generally do (even though it makes a distro
> upgrade a nightmare) is to use .src.rpm and compile the package for my
> machine (gentoo.rpm {yikes!})
>
> On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 14:03, Zyman, Andy wrote:
> > Nathan,
> > I really appreciate your answers . Main thing for me was to know that i
> can
> > do %) that using rpm. Very helpful was a note about --nodep.
> > I have been trying to install netscape but it started asking for whole
> bunch
> > of different packages and when i tried to reinstall them it triggered
> > dependency n other and so on so on. so i finally gave up. and moved to
> lower
> > version of browser.
> >
> > I don't quite understand the "dependency" thing. I understand that it
> > basically "this need to be in place so that will work". But in case of
> glib
> > libraries, i can create links and it should ( well, not a rule of thumb
> > obviously ) work OK. At the same time if i do remove with --nodep check,
> > than how can i find out if all progs will be alive?
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nathan J. Underwood [mailto:lists at cybertechcafe.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:31 PM
> > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > Subject: RE: [ale] KDE reinstall
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy,
> > >
> > > I just wish that I could be of more help. As I
> > > mentioned, I've just about
> > > given up on RPM's (see my several earlier posts about Gentoo
> > > :-). As long as
> > > it's not a production box, and you're a bit inquisitive, it
> > > should be a real
> > > learning experience ;-). Keep shooting questions if you
> > > like, and I'll try to
> > > keep answering. I'm making no guarantee that the answers
> > > will be right, but
> > > they will be answers.
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > > Quoting "Zyman, Andy" <zymana at hra.nyc.gov>:
> > >
> > > > >This isn't a production box, right?
> > > > no it is not :)))
> > > > thank you for explanations. I'll have quite busy evening, i guess.
> > > > //I hope it won't take me the whole weekend :)))
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Nathan J. Underwood [mailto:lists at cybertechcafe.net]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:24 PM
> > > > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > > > Subject: RE: [ale] KDE reinstall
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy,
> > > > >
> > > > > When you start uninstalling (the many facets of) kde,
> > > > > you're probably going
> > > > > to get a bunch of "kde is required by......" messages. If
> > > > > you're using kdex,
> > > > > and you remove it and reinstall kdex, most of them will /
> > > > > should still work
> > > > > (again, I'm definately not an rpm guru). You're going to
> > > > > have to use the
> > > > > --nodeps option (i'll let you figure out where :-) a couple
> > > > > of times to get it
> > > > > uninstalled. This isn't a production box, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting "Zyman, Andy" <zymana at hra.nyc.gov>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Great. thank you Nathan.
> > > > > > Will all xprograms "survive" this reinstall? or I'll have
> > > > > to install them
> > > > > > again?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Nathan J. Underwood [mailto:lists at cybertechcafe.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:10 PM
> > > > > > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ale] KDE reinstall
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You should be able to remove KDE, and reinstall via RPM.
> > > > > > > The easiest way
> > > > > > > to find out all of the settings for RPM is to do a 'man rpm',
> > > > > > > but here's what I
> > > > > > > would do (this, of course, comes with no warranty, expressed
> > > > > > > or implied).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rpm -qa | grep [kK][dD][eE] <- This will find all of the
> > > > > KDE 'stuff'
> > > > > > > rpm -e <each of the packages> <- This will remove
> > > the packages
> > > > > > > rpm -ivh <new kde packages> <- this will install the new
> > > > > > > packages, with verbose
> > > > > > > output, and give hash marks so that you'll know if it
> > > > > hangs somewhere
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now, there are probably much better ways of doing it, but
> > > > > > > I've strayed away from
> > > > > > > RPM's lately (google for 'dependency hell'). Hope this helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quoting "Zyman, Andy" <zymana at hra.nyc.gov>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nathan ,
> > > > > > > > Sorry, forgot:
> > > > > > > > RH8. I installed it from original CDrom while installing
> > > > > > > the system. After
> > > > > > > > that ( i guess it was KDE2) agent updated it to KDE3 ....
> > > > > > > > The main 2 reasons to do that :
> > > > > > > > 1. Just to see how to do this
> > > > > > > > 2. I can't apply "schemes" and whole thing sometimes just
> > > > > > > hangs, that i have
> > > > > > > > to reboot box - i guess it is because i "played" with
> > > > > > > settings and now can't
> > > > > > > > do certain things.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't have anything there which i would like to preserve.
> > > > > > > But if you could
> > > > > > > > please tell me where all customization settings go - that
> > > > > > > would be nice.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Nathan J. Underwood [mailto:lists at cybertechcafe.net]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:14 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ale] KDE reinstall
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Which distro are you using? Do you have any
> > > settings that
> > > > > > > > > you want to retain?
> > > > > > > > > How did you install it in the first place?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Quoting "Zyman, Andy" <zymana at hra.nyc.gov>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > guys, very simple question:
> > > > > > > > > > how can i reinstall the KDE?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > can i do it using rpms?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank You
> > > > > > > > > > Andy
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> > > > > > > > >
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