[ale] KDE reinstall

Ryan Matteson mattesonry at corp.earthlink.net
Thu Aug 7 14:53:15 EDT 2003 

To ease the rpm dependency nightmare, I would recommend installing
APT. It has a nice command line interface, and eases life. If
you like GUIs, synaptic provides a pretty GUI front-end to APT.

- Ryan

James P. Kinney III wrote:

> A warning. --nodeps can cause things to fail later in mysterious ways.
> 
> The "correct" way is to resolve all the dependencies. If a package can't
> be removed because something else uses parts of it, then don't remove it
> with --nodeps. Remove the package that uses it first, then the original
> package.
> 
> The dependency hell come up when a package builder _requires_
> Lib-foo-<version-x-only> instead of libfoo-x or higher. 
> 
> Anytime you are tinkering with the gnome or KDE packages, you can break
> lots of stuff by using rpm -e foo --nodeps.
> 
> For installing Netscrape, try using the tar.gz version instead. Then you
> can put it in /usr/local and rpm's won't mess with it.
> 
> The other option, which I generally do (even though it makes a distro
> upgrade a nightmare) is to use .src.rpm and compile the package for my
> machine (gentoo.rpm {yikes!}) 
> 
> On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 14:03, Zyman, Andy wrote:
> 
>>Nathan,
>>I really appreciate your answers . Main thing for me was to know that i can
>>do %) that using rpm. Very helpful was a note about --nodep.
>>I have been trying to install netscape but it started asking for whole bunch
>>of different packages and when i tried to reinstall them it triggered
>>dependency n other and so on so on. so i finally gave up. and moved to lower
>>version of browser.
>>
>>I don't quite understand the "dependency" thing.  I understand that it
>>basically "this need to be in place so that will work". But in case of glib
>>libraries, i can create links and it should ( well, not a rule of thumb
>>obviously ) work OK. At the same time if i do remove with --nodep check,
>>than how can i find out if all progs will be alive?
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Nathan J. Underwood [mailto:lists at cybertechcafe.net]
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:31 PM
>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>Subject: RE: [ale] KDE reinstall
>>>
>>>
>>>Andy,
>>>
>>>     I just wish that I could be of more help.  As I 
>>>mentioned, I've just about
>>>given up on RPM's (see my several earlier posts about Gentoo 
>>>:-).  As long as
>>>it's not a production box, and you're a bit inquisitive, it 
>>>should be a real
>>>learning experience ;-).  Keep shooting questions if you 
>>>like, and I'll try to
>>>keep answering.  I'm making no guarantee that the answers 
>>>will be right, but
>>>they will be answers.
>>>
>>>Nathan
>>>
>>>Quoting "Zyman, Andy" <zymana at hra.nyc.gov>:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>This isn't a production box, right?
>>>>
>>>>no it is not :)))
>>>>thank you for explanations. I'll have quite busy evening, i guess.
>>>>//I hope it won't take me the whole weekend :)))
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Nathan J. Underwood [mailto:lists at cybertechcafe.net]
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:24 PM
>>>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>>>Subject: RE: [ale] KDE reinstall
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>>     When you start uninstalling (the many facets of) kde, 
>>>>>you're probably going
>>>>>to get a bunch of "kde is required by......" messages.  If 
>>>>>you're using kdex,
>>>>>and you remove it and reinstall kdex, most of them will / 
>>>>>should still work
>>>>>(again, I'm definately not an rpm guru).  You're going to 
>>>>>have to use the
>>>>>--nodeps option (i'll let you figure out where :-) a couple 
>>>>>of times to get it
>>>>>uninstalled.  This isn't a production box, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>Quoting "Zyman, Andy" <zymana at hra.nyc.gov>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Great. thank you Nathan.
>>>>>>Will all xprograms "survive" this reinstall? or I'll have 
>>>>>
>>>>>to install them
>>>>>
>>>>>>again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Nathan J. Underwood [mailto:lists at cybertechcafe.net]
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:10 PM
>>>>>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [ale] KDE reinstall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Andy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     You should be able to remove KDE, and reinstall via RPM. 
>>>>>>> The easiest way
>>>>>>>to find out all of the settings for RPM is to do a 'man rpm', 
>>>>>>>but here's what I
>>>>>>>would do (this, of course, comes with no warranty, expressed 
>>>>>>>or implied).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>rpm -qa | grep [kK][dD][eE] <- This will find all of the 
>>>>>
>>>>>KDE 'stuff'
>>>>>
>>>>>>>rpm -e <each of the packages>  <- This will remove 
>>>
>>>the packages
>>>
>>>>>>>rpm -ivh <new kde packages> <- this will install the new 
>>>>>>>packages, with verbose
>>>>>>>output, and give hash marks so that you'll know if it 
>>>>>
>>>>>hangs somewhere
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now, there are probably much better ways of doing it, but 
>>>>>>>I've strayed away from
>>>>>>>RPM's lately (google for 'dependency hell').  Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Quoting "Zyman, Andy" <zymana at hra.nyc.gov>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nathan ,
>>>>>>>>Sorry, forgot:
>>>>>>>>RH8. I installed it from original CDrom while installing 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the system. After
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>that ( i guess it was KDE2) agent updated it to KDE3 ....
>>>>>>>>The main 2 reasons to do that :
>>>>>>>>1. Just to see how to do this
>>>>>>>>2. I can't apply "schemes" and whole thing sometimes just 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>hangs, that i have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to reboot box - i guess it is because i "played" with 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>settings and now can't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>do certain things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't have anything there which i would like to preserve. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But if you could
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>please tell me where all customization settings go - that 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>would be nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: Nathan J. Underwood [mailto:lists at cybertechcafe.net]
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ale] KDE reinstall
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Which distro are you using?  Do you have any 
>>>
>>>settings that 
>>>
>>>>>>>>>you want to retain? 
>>>>>>>>>How did you install it in the first place?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Quoting "Zyman, Andy" <zymana at hra.nyc.gov>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>guys, very simple question: 
>>>>>>>>>>	how can i reinstall the KDE?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>can i do it using rpms? 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thank You
>>>>>>>>>> Andy
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-- 
>>>>>>>>>Nathan J. Underwood
>>>>>>>>>nathan at cybertechcafe.net
>>>>>>>>>http://www.cybertechcafe.net
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>>>>>>>http://www.cybertechcafe.net
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