[ale] OT Re: [ale] Microsoft now favors fair competition

[Jeff Hubbs]

Who makes the KVM switch in question?  I had problems with Belkin's and
Linksys' that became distant memories when I got a Cybex.

At this point, Cybex is the only KVM switch I'll buy and if I can't
afford one, well, I just won't have one.

- Jeff

On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 08:26, Christopher R. Curzio wrote:
> I've had the same problem with my Intellimouse. It's all a matter of
> getting X configured properly. (In this case, the common denominator is
> both X and the Intellimouse.)
> 
> I remember the upper-right corner problem very well. Setting the config to
> IMPS/2 with 3 buttons made the difference, and the mouse has worked fine
> since. (I don't even have Windows installed on my machine. When I did,
> however, it worked fine in both Windows and Linux.) Did the same problem
> repeat itself with GPM? 
> 
> I will say that KVM switches play havoc with mice, particularly those with
> wheels. Through the KVM switch I have, the mouse wheel would not function.
> Period. The mouse driver would die in Windows when trying to switch to the
> correct mouse, and I had to select a generic PS/2 mouse to get basic
> functionality. 3rd button and wheel absolutely did not work through the
> KVM. (It took a long time to trace the problem, too. I figured hey, it's
> just a switchable PS/2 pipe. How could that cause a problem? But lo,
> that's what it was.)
> 
> So anyway, to this day I'm using an Intellimouse Optical (The classic one,
> not the bulky silver one) under X, and it works just peachy. It's as
> responsive as the day I bought it.
> 
> I also have a stack of the classic PS/2 intellimice around, hooked up to
> various boxes around my room. Microsoft mice are pretty much the only mice
> I will use. 
> 
> -- 
> Christopher R. Curzio     |  Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax
> http://www.accipiter.org  |  si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
> :wq!
> 
> 
> Thus Spake Andrew Grimmke <grimmke at directvinternet.com>:
> 09 Sep 2002 05:13:01 -0400
> 
> 
> > While I do agree about the charity thing.  After some serious arm
> > twisting (by Ted Turner and others) the Bill and Melinda Gates
> > Foundation has done more for the African aids epidemic than just about
> > any other private American charity.
> > 
> > On the Mouse issue, however, I have to say to anybody.  Intellimouse +
> > XFree86 + KVM switch = Bad.  I would switch boxes and the pointer would
> > hide in the corner.
> > 
> > Do a search on google groups for xfree + mouse + upper right corner and
> > see just how well X likes M$ brand rodents.
> > 
> > Although a KVM switch exacerbates the problem, plenty have the same
> > issue I did without one.  Common demoinator is *always* the 
> > intellirodent.
> > 
> > I am not suggesting conspiracy here.  Just offering information.  For
> > me, Intellrodent didn't like X.  Since I switched to a $2 generic 3
> > button, no problems.
> > 
> > Andrew
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 00:03, Christopher R. Curzio wrote:
> > > Honestly, that's a little blind. You're almost saying the company
> > > shouldn't have ever existed, and anyone who works for them is spawned
> > > from the deepest nether regions of hell. 
> > > 
> > > Yes, I dislike Windows. Yes, I believe Microsoft's business practices
> > > in the past have been questionable, with some being downright illegal.
> > > No, I am not a Microsoft enthusiast or representative. I am, however,
> > > someone who *can* see when good things are done, and not overlook them
> > > in blind hatred. 
> > > 
> > > I have never, *ever* seen a bad Microsoft mouse. All of my systems
> > > have one, and I'm giddy with delight at having an Intellimouse with
> > > Intelleye, which has worked splendidly for the past 3 years. While
> > > Microsoft may not manufacture the hardware themselves (outsourcing and
> > > rebranding), any hardware on which they have stamped their name
> > > (ESPECIALLY mice) has been nearly top-notch. 
> > > 
> > > And my Microsoft mouse can do everything in Linux that it can do in
> > > Windows. I don't see how it's engineered to leverage Windows. Sure,
> > > things like the force feedback stuff (another excellent hardware line)
> > > come with Windows-only stuff, but what do you expect? They make
> > > DirectX, they're sure not going to ignore it. 
> > > 
> > > As for Microsoft-related charity work, while it's less Microsoft and
> > > more Bill and Melinda, maybe you should check out the Bill and Melinda
> > > Gates foundation. They're throwing millions of dollars at not only
> > > schools and libraries, but health programs as well. Over half of their
> > > donations have been to Global Health organizations. Again, it's not
> > > from Microsoft, but all of this cash is able to be given to good
> > > causes as a direct result of Microsoft being here. 
> > > 
> > > There's more Good Things listed here:
> > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-946250.html
> > > 
> > > Again, don't mistake the above for Microsoft fanatacism or open-source
> > > defection. I'm a Linux user, and I really dislike the majority of
> > > Microsoft's software. But I'm not a zealot on any side of the court. 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Christopher R. Curzio     |  Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax
> > > http://www.accipiter.org  |  si marmota monax materiam possit
> > > materiari?:wq!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thus Spake Geoffrey <esoteric at 3times25.net>:
> > > Sun, 08 Sep 2002 21:27:28 -0400
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I've had one M$ mouse, it crapped out after 6 months.  Whatever. 
> > > > That is not a reflection of their 'good.'  And how many of those
> > > > devices are designed to leverage their operating system?  Oh, now we
> > > > see why they make hardware...
> > > > 
> > > > > MS has been
> > > > > known to give money to various worthy causes.
> > > > 
> > > > Do your research further.  Why?  They donate to libraries and
> > > > schools to
> > > > 
> > > > get their products in the door.
> > > > 
> > > > The ONLY reason M$ does ANYTHING is to extend their market.  If you
> > > > do the research you will see this.  Philanthropy in name only.
> > > > 
> > > > > If I cared, I could
> > > > > probably find buildings owned by Microsoft which were
> > > > > environmentally friendly. Etc. 
> > > > 
> > > > Now that's a stretch.  Only if it's required by law.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The awful things that they have done may *outweigh* the good
> > > > > things that they have done, but those bad things don't erase the
> > > > > existence of the good things.
> > > > 
> > > > Again, I challenge you to do the research.  Provide information
> > > > where Microsoft has done ANYTHING simple because it's either the
> > > > right thing to do and I assure you if you dig deep enough, you'll
> > > > find the truth.
> > > > 
> > > > This company has no morals, no conscious.
> > > 
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