[ale] those of you reading this while within US jurisdiction should have a care....

[Greg]

I read in August (I think it was in FORTUNE) how the Sec. of the Treasury
thinks the economy is doing "alright" due to "the auto companies not laying
off during a slump in sales".  I think that this is flawed because 1) the
economy is more than the auto industry 2)several auto plants have closed in
the recent past  3) GM is reportedly "giving away" an average of $2500 per
vehicle in incentives & this (incentives + low prices) has prompted much of
the buying and 4)only idiots would go full steam ahead when no one is buying
their products.  I also know that government "numbers" can be manipulated to
serve political ends, so I discount them appropriately.  Not to mention that
if the SecTreasury would have said "Yeah, the economy's in the crapper and
we are powerless to do anything." he would probably be out of a job.

As the economy has soured, so does the incumbent president, and I think that
this is why Bush does not want to talk about the economy and would rather
discuss a baseless and boundless war.  Let us not forget his dad made the
comments upon the minimum wage law "who makes the minimum wage anyhow" and
that a family of four could live well on $10,000 / yr.  A classic example of
a president out of touch with the commoners, something I think Bush the
Younger has inherited.

During the 70's the upper echelon of car companies thought that US cars were
ok - this because a group of mechanics would go over the executives cars
almost daily.  The aftermath was of course the takeover of the US market by
the Japanese.  I am sure if the car execs would have driven the pieces of
crap produced then their ideas of quality would have been radically
different.  As for our financial leaders, well, it is hard to deal with
reality when a Secret Service limo whisks you to work and the only contact
with non-government folks is with the CEO's of major banks, so I don't see
much chance of change until the next elections.

I guess the bottom line is to actively take part in the political process to
what ever extent one deems possible.

Greg



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nomad the Wanderer [mailto:nomad at rdlg.net]On Behalf Of Robert L.
> Harris
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:36 PM
> To: Kilroy, Chris
> Cc: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] those of you reading this while within US
> jurisdiction should have a care....
>
>
>
>
>   No, Greenspan isn't the "rosy" it's a number of prominent politians.
> Greenspan in a couple interviews has expresed the faith in the recovery
> part.
>
>
> Thus spake Kilroy, Chris (Chris.Kilroy at turner.com):
>
> > From: "Kilroy, Chris" <Chris.Kilroy at turner.com>
> > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:33:06 -0400
> > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59)
> > Subject: RE: [ale] those of you reading this while within US
> jurisdiction
> > 	should have a care....
> >
> > ->I'm talking about greenspan and the "decision makers" walking around
> > ->saying how rosy the economy is or how good their faith is "it will
> > ->improve soon."  Those don't help those needing help right now.
> > ->
> >
> > actually the Fed has said nothing of the kind regarding the
> economy.   In fact Greenspan used the "R" word before any
> politicians did (Recession).  The fact that they haven't lowered
> interest rates doesnt mean they think everything is OK.  In fact
> it means they still think the economy is in the shitter.  There
> is only a little bit of room they have left to play with, and
> they are saving that because there is no certainty as to what the
> potential war with Iraq will bring as well as the limited
> possibility of a depression.
> >
> > If the Fed thought the economy was 'rosy' Greenspan would have
> been raising interest rates, not leaving them at 30 year lows.
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > ->-----Original Message-----
> > ->From: Robert L. Harris [mailto:Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net]
> > ->Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:28 PM
> > ->To: Christopher Fowler
> > ->Cc: Robert L. Harris; Jim Popovitch; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > ->Subject: Re: [ale] those of you reading this while within US
> > ->jurisdiction should have a care....
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->No, those numbnuts need to just be horse wipped.  I moved back to Atl
> > ->because of my wife's family.  They're excelent grandparents
> > ->for my kids.
> > ->
> >
> > ->
> > ->Thus spake Christopher Fowler (cfowler at outpostsentinel.com):
> > ->
> > ->> From: "Christopher Fowler" <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com>
> > ->> To: "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net>,Jim
> > ->Popovitch <jimpop at rocketship.com>,"Robert L. Harris"
> > -><Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net>,	Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> <ale at ale.org>
> > ->> Subject: Re: [ale] those of you reading this while within
> > ->US jurisdiction should have a care....
> > ->> X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25
> > ->> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:15:43 -0400
> > ->>
> > ->>
> > ->> Are you talking about all those training commercials on the
> > ->radio that
> > ->> talk about the hopping IT industry here in Atlata?
> > ->>
> > ->> >
> > ->> >
> > ->> >   I've seen a few downturn and I know it's a cycle.  I
> > ->just get tired
> > ->> of
> > ->> > people who are doing just dandy talking about how great
> > ->it is.  Let
> > ->> them
> > ->> > live what my friends are before they say things are fine.
> > ->> >
> > ->> >   I'd happily give up my net connection if it'd get my
> > ->friends jobs.
> > ->> > There are much worse things that no net.  I'm watching
> > ->very competant,
> > ->> > qualified individuals try to figure out how they'll provide basic
> > ->> > necesities for their families.  In the mean time I just
> > ->landed a job
> > ->> > after a few months because someone on this list sent a
> > ->posting and I
> > ->> got
> > ->> > lucky/smart enough to jump it hard.
> > ->> >
> > ->> >
> > ->> >
> > ->> >
> > ->> > Thus spake Jim Popovitch (jimpop at rocketship.com):
> > ->> >
> > ->> > > From: "Jim Popovitch" <jimpop at rocketship.com>
> > ->> > > To: "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net>
> > ->> > > Cc: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > ->> > > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:45:06 -0400
> > ->> > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
> > ->> > > Subject: RE: [ale] those of you reading this while within US
> > ->> jurisdiction should have a care....
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > ->> > > > From: Robert L. Harris
> > ->> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:28 PM
> > ->> > > >
> > ->> > > >   Hitting the list was an accident of habit, nothing
> > ->was intended.
> > ->> > > >
> > ->> > > >   I'm not disparaging him or insulting him.  I see him showing
> > ->> > > > up in a nice clean suit with full confidence in the economy.
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > > I see you showing up on this list without much
> > ->confidence, coupled
> > ->> with a
> > ->> > > sour attitude. ;)  Keep your chin up... life has it's
> > ->turns.  This
> > ->> is the
> > ->> > > down time of an economic cycle... hopefully you are
> > ->young enough so
> > ->> that you
> > ->> > > will see one or two more turns.  Look things could be
> > ->much worse,
> > ->> you could
> > ->> > > be like 80% of the world that doesn't have an Internet
> > ->> connection. :)
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > > -Jim P.
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > >
> > ->> > >
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> > ->> > :wq!
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> > ->> -----
> > ->> > Robert L. Harris
> > ->> >
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> > ->> > FYI:
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