[ale] Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie
Eichler, Paula J.
pja0 at cdc.gov
Tue Nov 5 16:48:10 EST 2002
In fact, I did this today. If there wasn't a suitable candidate, which for
me is either Dem or Libertarian, I wrote in my husband, since I know he
could run circles around most elected officials :). It's real easy, like
explained below ..pj
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Shapiro [mailto:charles.shapiro at nubridges.com]
To: ale at ale.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:11 PM
To: runman at telocity.com
Cc: Dow Hurst; ale at ale.org
Subject: RE: [ale] Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie
Actually, I experimented with this at the shopping center. You can write
in a vote by selecting the "write in" option in the vote choices, then
selecting letters in a keyboard-like arrangement on the screen. Worked
for me at least in the demo.
-- CHS
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:08, Greg wrote:
> Great. I was really surprised also. The state per se does not have a
great
> track record with projects put out to bid (car driver insurance & the DFAC
> system come to mind immediately). Dunno why with all of the brains in
> Atlanta alone. Mr. Field Coordinator did not tell me that there are paper
> ballots, either, as was posted earlier, so I honestly have no idea
> whatsoever what the system is for counting votes.
>
> Through out all of the posts one question remains unanswered; How do you
> write in a vote ???
>
> Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dow Hurst [mailto:dhurst at kennesaw.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:56 PM
> To: runman at telocity.com; ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie
>
>
> Just found out from my boss that yes, KSU CSIS Dept. was the architects
of
> the system. I know the chair, Merle King, and he is a dedicated honest
> person. I have a lot of respect for him since he has treated me well here
> at KSU. I'll ask and see if the code is available or could be made
> available. I was quite surprised to hear about KSU's involvement since
> there is a lot of reputation on the line.
> Dow
>
>
> Greg wrote:
>
> I just voted and specifically looked for those items which came up in
> previous posts.
>
> First, the second instruction says to "Touch the vote you want to change
to
> undo it and then vote again." or some such thing to that effect. Seems ok
> to me, but intuitiveness is in the eye of the beholder.
>
> Second, the clerk at the door was not keen on the lack of paper ballots.
I
> asked about recounts & was told that they would just take the totals out
of
> the machines again ... "just like the first vote" ... "yup". "So a
recount
> is somewhat impossible, huh ?" "yup" After admitting that he was just a
> simple clerk, I was jokingly advised to take it up w/ the State Secretary
of
> State (hehe, redundant, huh?).
>
> At this time a Field Coordinator (according to his ID - looked like a MS
> drone to me) told me in reply to several of my concerns that 1) they had
> batteries in the machines in case of power failure. I did not ask as to
> whether they were AAA or D batteries. Hopefully they were not the little
> CMOS batteries, though I have replaced only one of this type in my entire
> life. 2) the vote is recorded in three places, one including flash
memory.
> OK, so any mistake is now multiplied times 3. I get it. Redundancy = =
> accuracy 3) In reply to my asking if I could see the code, I was told
that
> the code was audited by Kennesaw State University to comply with Federal
and
> State specs. I am hoping that the KSU folks that reviewed the code were
> code knowledgeable in some if not many respects and instead were not the
> Political Science Dept. folks. Mr. Field Coordinator did not answer the
> question, but what can you expect in dealing with anything touching
politics
> ?? (ok, I'll say it "or M$").
>
> At this time I left before asking any further questions, since my doctor
> told me my blood pressure is starting to get problematic (& I a wee lad of
> 39). I left feeling as if this was an expensive piece of crap system w/
no
> redundant and independent check on it. I would rather have the cards and
a
> chad problem if it came to that.
>
> As to another point in a post; so why not ask to see the code ? Sounds
like
> a worthwhile project to me. I mean, did not taxpayer money fund this ? I
> wouldn't buy a house or car without looking it over and software should
not
> be any different.
>
> If there is a tight race with plenty of discord, I am sure that all of the
> concerns & issues expressed on this forum will move to center stage in the
> media. On one hand I wouldn't mind seeing the idiots who hoisted this on
us
> get roasted in the national media, but on the other hand I would hate
being
> tarred with the same brush just because I live in GA. The SAT jokes are
bad
> enough.
>
>
> Greg Canter
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph A Knapka [mailto:jknapka at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:32 PM
> To: Irv Mullins
> Cc: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie
>
>
> Irv Mullins wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 November 2002 11:35 am, Matt wrote:
>
>
> As soon as whatever you vote with/on is removed from your view,
there
> is
> ALWAYS the potential for corruption to occur. Why not just
> have a little
> faith in the process that's being used and get on with your
> lives. If you
> feel the process is so flawed, don't use it. Make them work a little
> harder by having to actually fabricate votes rather than just changing
> yours.
> There always has been, and will continue to be, vote fraud.
> Not necessarily. In "Applied Cryptography", Bruce Schneier outlines
> cryptographically secure protocols that prohibit votes from being
> changed by anyone other than the caster, prohibit ballot-stuffing,
> ensure that every vote is properly counted exactly once, and possess
> a number of other useful properties. With such an implementation,
> it would be impossible for even the programmer who writes the
> code to alter election results, since any voter can execute
> a cryptographic challenge against the results to ensure that
> their vote is correctly counted, and no one without an unreasonably
> huge amount of computing power would be able to alter the results
> without being detected.
>
> If we're gonna use electronic voting, we ought to do it right.
>
> -- Joe
>
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