[ale] [Fwd: Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie

[Geoffrey]

Jonathan Glass wrote:
> What I think might be worth persuing is asking for the source code to the 
> ballot systems (not WinCE) under the Open records act.  Anyone have experience 
> in this area?  Any thoughts?  I'm really annoyed about the lack of a paper 
> ballot (heard one woman on the radio state that she mistakenly hit the wrong 
> candidate, and at the review screen couldn't change her vote.  The poll worker 
> messed with it and "accidentally" submitted her incorrect vote.), and the lack 
> of auditability (is that a word?) for the code that runs the voting system.

One stupid thing I noticed when I voted was that if you did select the 
wrong item and wanted to change it (before going to the next page), you 
had to touch the wrong selection again, to 'undo' it and then select the 
one you want.  How stupid?  I just missed the first time with my fat 
finger.  It turns your selection red and removes the boxes in front of 
the others.  I tried selecting the option I wanted, no good.  How many 
folks would just give up?  I then touched the wrong one again and I was 
returned to non-selected state for that entry, and then selected the one 
I wanted.

I too found them bloody slow and gagged when I saw the twirling 
hourglass M$ icon....

I asked on the way out, 'how do I know my vote worked?'  The ironic 
answer, you've got to trust the system...

> 
> Just my $0.02.
> 
> Jonathan Glass
> 
> Quoting Charles Shapiro <charles.shapiro at nubridges.com>:
> 
> 
>>Yes but. That's not independent verification. A paper tape which
>>recorded the vote at the time it was entered, and which I could
>>personally verify as correct after hitting the "record" button, would
>>be
>>a step in the right direction. 
>>
>>I tried to explain this to the nice drone in the shopping mall where I
>>first saw these evil things, but she couldn't or wouldn't understand
>>the
>>issue.
>>
>>-- CHS
>>On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:15, cfowler wrote:
>>
>>>The machines have the capability to print everyvote that was taken
>>
>>on
>>
>>>the machine.
>>>
>>>Personally I think they are too slow....
>>>
>>>On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:10, Charles Shapiro wrote:
>>>
>>>>>From: Charles Shapiro <charles.shapiro at nubridges.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie
>>>>>Date: 05 Nov 2002 09:38:23 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>Good for her. Too bad the vote WON'T COUNT.
>>>>>
>>>>>Without independent printed verification of the votes, voting
>>>>
>>machines
>>
>>>>>are not trustworthy. They can fail or be fraudulently altered with
>>>>
>>no
>>
>>>>>possibility of detection and no way of recovering the real counts.
>>>>
>>And
>>
>>>>>since they're running Microsoft Windows CE, a closed-source OS,
>>>>
>>the
>>
>>>>>software cannot be meaningfully audited.
>>>>>
>>>>>I voted. But I ain't very happy.
>>>>>
>>>>>-- CHS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 09:22, Ana wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent:   Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:53 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>To:     Ana 
>>>>>
>>>>>Subject:        Vote Today
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Could you possibly send out an all inclusive team e-mail to the
>>>>
>>employees
>>
>>>>>employees to remind them to vote today? (and to call at least one
>>>>
>>other
>>
>>>>>voter as well)  Polls are open until 7pm. As you know Dana  is
>>>>
>>working
>>
>>>>>with GOP on a grass root effort to get the vote out. She has asked
>>>>
>>me to
>>
>>>>>remind as many  people as I can. As a matter of interest, this
>>>>
>>past
>>
>>>>>Saturday, she and her team of volunteers reached over 4,000
>>>>
>>households
>>
>>>>>in the Peachtree City area, which is her assigned area. That is
>>>>
>>only one
>>
>>>>>example of her work over the last several weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Marie
>>>>>
>>>>
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> 
> Jonathan Glass
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Until later: Geoffrey		esoteric at 3times25.net

I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen
to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)?


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