[ale] Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie

[Stanaland, Brian]

Saw a story on Fox last night.  The machines do print out your selections.
The paper stays in the machine, though.  At least it's another step in the
right direction.  I sure would like to have seen the printout!

Brian Stanaland

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Glass [mailto:jonathan.glass at ibb.gatech.edu]
To: ale at ale.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:28 AM
To: Charles Shapiro
Cc: cfowler; ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] [Fwd: Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie


What I think might be worth persuing is asking for the source code to the 
ballot systems (not WinCE) under the Open records act.  Anyone have
experience 
in this area?  Any thoughts?  I'm really annoyed about the lack of a paper 
ballot (heard one woman on the radio state that she mistakenly hit the wrong

candidate, and at the review screen couldn't change her vote.  The poll
worker 
messed with it and "accidentally" submitted her incorrect vote.), and the
lack 
of auditability (is that a word?) for the code that runs the voting system.

Just my $0.02.

Jonathan Glass

Quoting Charles Shapiro <charles.shapiro at nubridges.com>:

> Yes but. That's not independent verification. A paper tape which
> recorded the vote at the time it was entered, and which I could
> personally verify as correct after hitting the "record" button, would
> be
> a step in the right direction. 
> 
> I tried to explain this to the nice drone in the shopping mall where I
> first saw these evil things, but she couldn't or wouldn't understand
> the
> issue.
> 
> -- CHS
> On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:15, cfowler wrote:
> > The machines have the capability to print everyvote that was taken
> on
> > the machine.
> > 
> > Personally I think they are too slow....
> > 
> > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:10, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Charles Shapiro <charles.shapiro at nubridges.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Vote Today - Message from Marie
> > > > Date: 05 Nov 2002 09:38:23 -0500
> > > > 
> > > > Good for her. Too bad the vote WON'T COUNT.
> > > > 
> > > > Without independent printed verification of the votes, voting
> machines
> > > > are not trustworthy. They can fail or be fraudulently altered with
> no
> > > > possibility of detection and no way of recovering the real counts.
> And
> > > > since they're running Microsoft Windows CE, a closed-source OS,
> the
> > > > software cannot be meaningfully audited.
> > > > 
> > > > I voted. But I ain't very happy.
> > > > 
> > > > -- CHS
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 09:22, Ana wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Sent:   Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:53 AM
> > > > 
> > > > To:     Ana 
> > > > 
> > > > Subject:        Vote Today
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Could you possibly send out an all inclusive team e-mail to the
> employees
> > > > employees to remind them to vote today? (and to call at least one
> other
> > > > voter as well)  Polls are open until 7pm. As you know Dana  is
> working
> > > > with GOP on a grass root effort to get the vote out. She has asked
> me to
> > > > remind as many  people as I can. As a matter of interest, this
> past
> > > > Saturday, she and her team of volunteers reached over 4,000
> households
> > > > in the Peachtree City area, which is her assigned area. That is
> only one
> > > > example of her work over the last several weeks.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > Marie
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Jonathan Glass
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IBB/BME
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