[ale] Topic for next ALE NW meeting June 16th

Tue May 28 09:43:27 EDT 2002

I have been informed that the first one it is and the date for the
presentation is September the 18th.  Doing a MS > Linux transplant in a
corporate environment will be covered, as well as in a home environment.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: C I [mailto:comidio at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:01 AM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: RE: [ale] Topic for next ALE NW meeting June 16th
>
>
> My vote is for the first topic.  And because this is
> an area that I have extreme interest taking it from a
> perspective on how you could do this in a corporate
> environment would be extremely useful.
>
> Bill Koch
>
>
> --- Greg <runman at telocity.com> wrote:
> > David, Geoffrey, et al...:
> >
> > 	I just offered to help David in any way David
> > wanted/needed.  Not sure
> > where/when/how I got promoted to a co-presenter or
> > what not, but I am
> > officially bowing out except to help in any way
> > David wishes.  I am nowhere
> > near a scripting guru.  David, dude, you are the
> > man.  As for my topic at a
> > future date, ... ok I suggest the following (pick 1
> > please).
> >
> > 	1. A one to one match up of MS <---> Linux programs
> > for the everyday user
> > who is trying to ditch MS and the many day to day
> > programs we have all come
> > to know and love.  I will also deal  w/ options for
> > the 1 or 2 MS programs
> > that HAVE to be ran ... or How I Stopped Using MS
> > software for All My Needs
> > (except Quicken - which does have 2 (if not more)
> > fine Open Source cousins).
> > Yes, I will mention Quake for Linux, the many office
> > suites, mail clients,
> > Outlook substitutes, etc...
> >
> > 	2. A transparent firewall/bridge using OpenBSD,
> > where transparent means the
> > box has no IP addresses and it just scrubs and
> > filters packets and logs
> > stuff .. is also stateful .  I could even talk about
> > ip - the OpenBSD
> > successor to ipf (think ipchains in the Linux
> > world).  Yes, I know the "L"
> > in ALE is for Linux, but I haven't found a distro
> > that is secure enough for
> > my paranoid, anti-cracker little brain to like for
> > firewalls, though I will
> > be looking at Suse this week.  I use a box like this
> > to complement my other
> > Linux based firewall.
> >
> > 	3.  A short How - To on installing Apache and
> > setting up some simple web
> > pages using HTML.  Mainly for those wanting to just
> > get into it or set it up
> > for a secure intranet.  Will also cover some
> > features/capabilities and such.
> > 	To keep it simple and secure,
> > cgi/PHP/Java/Tomcat/etc won't be covered,
> > especially since I think newbies and some who don't
> > know their limits forget
> > the considerable security that a webserver using
> > server-side logic like
> > cgi/PHP/Java needs to have in place.  Time is also a
> > consideration of course
> > (The Wife was a little concerned when I came home
> > after midnight the last
> > time I attended).  Of course, this attitude may just
> > be the results of the
> > many hours I have recently spent trying to keep out
> > several hacks on my
> > machines or my excessive paranoia kicking in at this
> > time.  Web security
> > would/could be in fact several presentations and is
> > dependent on the
> > differing technologies and would/could also flow
> > over to firewalls and such.
> > For that I would suggest a wonderfully practical and
> > well written book
> > written by ALE's own Bob Toxen, "Real World Linux
> > Security Intrusion
> > Prevention, Detection, and Recovery".  Other books
> > on my shelves are "Linux
> > Firewalls - 2nd edition" by Ziegler, O'Reilly's
> > "Practical Unix and Internet
> > Security" & their "Building Internet Firewalls" (the
> > later seems kinda dated
> > to me).  If you only want to get one, get Bob's.
> > Most Linux admin books
> > have a chapter or so about security also. My Apache
> > book is the one by Wrox
> > publishing.  *sigh* I don't have any or think there
> > are any dealing with MS
> > security on the web (read IIS) - I mean publishers
> > probably think "why waste
> > the paper" ??
> > 	ok, I confess I do have an IIS book, but the
> > security on IIS is crap.  Now
> > I feel better.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Geoffrey [mailto:esoteric at 3times25.net]
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 6:56 PM
> > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] Topic for next ALE NW meeting
> > June 16th
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David S. Jackson wrote:
> > > > On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 01:15:10PM -0400
> > Geoffrey The Esoteric
> > > <esoteric at 3times25.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>With David's acceptance, I'll put together the
> > announcement.  I believe
> > > >>Greg offered to assist, therefore I'd need a
> > short bio from
> > > both for the
> > > >>announcement.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I accept, Baby!
> > > >
> > > > One thing, communication is hard enough to
> > accomplish face to face, but
> > > > preparing something as complicated as a bash
> > mini-seminar as a brand new
> > > > two-man team could be daunting, to me at least.
> > >
> > > That's fine as far as I'm concerned, you offered,
> > it's your presentation.
> > >
> > > I'll not let Greg off that easily though, as I'd
> > still like to leverage
> > > his knowledge, so Greg, how about you choose a
> > topic of your choice for
> > > a presentation?  Bob Toxen's going to do iptables
> > in July, so you've got
> > > some time to think about it and put something
> > together.  Or, if you can
> > > help Dave with the issues he's outlined below, let
> > him know.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think the end-result would be more cohesive if
> > just one of us were
> > > > responsible for it.  Team-teaching such a thing
> > is a little too
> > > > sophisticated for me.  But I certainly need help
> > with outline, examples,
> > > > critiques of code and so forth that I'll prepare
> > for the list and class
> > > > prior to the presentation date.
> > >
> > > Any takers?  I'm open to reviewing code and
> > examples.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, I don't really have any experience making
> > slides for a
> > > > presentation, so any help getting those ready
> > would help.  Why don't I
> > > > get the outline fleshed out, along with
> > mini-exercises, and perhaps even
> > > > a little workbook of, say, 10 pages or
> > something.  And then whatever the
> > > > best way to get all that across in handouts,
> > exercises, arm-waving, etc,
> > > > y'all can "edicate" me with.
> > >
> > > Someone into slides?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That way, any special examples or problems can
> > be elucidated and
> > > > incorporated by the time of the presentation.
> > > >
> > > > Howdat sound?
> > >
> > > You on, now how about that bio??? :)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Until later: Geoffrey		esoteric at 3times25.net
> > >
> > > I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific
> > company to listen
> > > to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet
> > (anymore...)?
> > >
> > >
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