[ale] Anyone here use Zope?

[jb]

Thanks for your input.

What are the limitations that are becoming apparent?  I'd be interested 
in hearing what problems you're running into (particularly with PHP).

Thanks,

John

Arafat Mohamed wrote:
> Here's my 2 cents...
> 
> The nice thing about a java based implementation is the number of tools
> available (Open and commercial). Based on what you're needs are you can go
> all the way with J2EE implementation ala JBoss/WebLogic/9iAS/websphere/etc
> or scale it down to running tomcat standalone. All the major IDEs/editors
> i've seen (eg. macromedia, vi, emacs) have nice support for JSP. You can
> implement more heavily on the coding aspect (servlets) or dummy it down with
> JSP. You're business logic can be implemented with EJBs or just plain
> vanilla JBs.
> 
> When faced with a web project I tend to gravitate to the Java world due to
> the flexibility of tools and methodologies. At work, we have projects
> written in ColdFusion, PHP and ASP. The limitations of all are starting to
> become apparent and so there is a push to convert all of this onto Oracle
> 9iAS for the more complicated stuff, and an apache web server with tomcat
> for the simpler stuff. (as an aside, the friendly neighborhood *nix guy and
> I have been pushing really hard to convert all servers to *nix/*BSD)
> 
> Also take a look at the Apache Jakarta projects. If you're looking for a
> templating engine I heartily recommend velocity. Very nice seperation of
> logic from presentation.
> 
> -Arafat
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Wells [mailto:jbwellsiv at yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:05 PM
>>To: roncordell at attbi.com
>>Cc: Ale
>>Subject: Re: [ale] Anyone here use Zope?
>>
>>
>>This is what I'm looking for:
>>
>>Ability to interface with RDBMS.
>>Speed. speed. speed.
>>It'd be nice to separate bus logic from presentation
>>logic, but not absolutely necessary.
>>Capable of being distributed across multiple servers.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John
>>
>>--- Ron Cordell <roncordell at attbi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thursday 14 March 2002 12:38 pm, John Wells
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Michael,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the detailed input on this matter.
>>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>>been following along because I've heard so many
>>>>
>>>good
>>>
>>>>things about Zope recently...
>>>>
>>>>If Zope isn't quite there yet for large scale web
>>>>apps, what is?  I'm getting ready to begin work on
>>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>project that I would consider large scale, and I'm
>>>>charged with identifying the tools we'll use.
>>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>>been examining both PHP and JBoss/Tomcat
>>>>
>>>solutions.
>>>
>>>>What else is out there?  What would you recommend?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Sorry to just jump in here... but here I go anyway
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>It's an interesting question, and depends a great
>>>deal on what you mean by
>>>large scale web apps. That is to say, what kinds of
>>>databases will your
>>>project require? What other datasources will you
>>>need to access? Will data
>>>access require transaction support, or distributed
>>>transaction support? Do
>>>you need personalization, user tracking, metrics,
>>>reporting... the list goes
>>>on. Other aspects to consider are content
>>>management; how much of the content
>>>on the site is dynamic versus static, how will it be
>>>maintained, what does
>>>the development/qa/staging/producton cycle need to
>>>look like, etc. Not to be
>>>ignored, who is doing the development, what are
>>>their skills and experience?
>>>I would find it very difficult to answer your not so
>>>simple question unless I
>>>knew more about those items, and more :-)
>>>
>>>-ronc
>>>
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