[ale] Templates (was: [ale] Need a PHP/MySQL intern...)

[Christopher Bergeron]

Actually, Zope is a database that you keep web "objects" in.  Be it
graphics, html, xml, php, code, even ASP [ack!], etc...  In theory it's
brilliant, but I'd like some practical opinions before I dive into using
it...  I know nothing about python, and Zope aparently has a high regard for
it.  All indications, however, are that it works with almost _any_ web
language / structure.

It looks promising from what I've seen...

Anyone have any anecdotal/empirical (it's big word night at my home)
evidence with regard to using it?
-CB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: jb [mailto:jbwellsiv at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:19 PM
> To: Benjamin Scherrey
> Cc: Joseph A Knapka; ale at ale.org
> Subject: [ale] Templates (was: [ale] Need a PHP/MySQL intern...)
>
>
> Ok...educate me here please.
>
> I'm not sure I see any real benefit of using templates aside from making
> your code look a bit prettier for someone who might be php illiterate or
> terrified of non-html source.  Looking at Smarty for an example, it
> would seem that all (and forgive me if I'm wrong...this after a cursory
> look ;-)) it provides is merely another layer of abstraction on top of
> php...function calls that look different from actual function calls but
> are still function calls...if/then/elses and loops likewise.
>
> Where's the benefit?  As far as being able to affect all pages on a site
> with a single line change, can't you do this by including a general file
> that would set a var like $background, or $fontcolor, etc.?  As far as
> separating presentation from business logic, can't this be accomplished
> by function calls or objects (i.e., have a set of function libs or
> classes specifically to handle bus. logic, and have your display code
> make calls to these resources)?
>
> Is Zope in someway different?
>
> Someone enlighten me...
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
>
> Benjamin Scherrey wrote:
> > I've looked at Zope but find it a bit too invasive, especially
> its persistence model. Basically it carries some of
> > the same downside as PHP does for me. I have seen some really
> good systems done in Zope, however, and
> > I'm sure its a strong product but its not what I'm looking for.
> >
> > 	regards & later,
> >
> > 		Ben Scherrey
> >
> > 3/13/2002 6:44:42 AM, Joseph A Knapka <jknapka at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> >>You might look at Zope and Zope Page Templates. Zope rocks;
> >>it's a free web application server implemented mostly in
> >>Python: <http:www.zope.org>. ZPT allows you to achieve nearly
> >>100% separation between presentation, content, and logic,
> >>and allows application logic to be implemented in Python or
> >>(so I believe, though I haven't tried it) Perl.
> >>
> >>I haven't actually used ZPT in production yet, but I plan to
> >>convert an existing client's Zope site to use ZPT in the near
> >>future.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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