[ale] OT: H1B -- What To Do

[SanMillan, Todd]

Yeah, like the gov't checked on Enron and WorldCom and Adelphia and Global
Crossing and Xerox and Dynergy and Halliburton and Harken Energy...

-----Original Message-----
From: George Johnson [mailto:gljay at netzero.net]
To: ale at ale.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:23 AM
To: cfowler; Malcolm Silberman
Cc: 'ALE'
Subject: RE: [ale] H1B -- What To Do


Tariffs were meant for BOTH.  For the first 160+ years of this country (post
revolution) there was no need for an income tax.  All government bills were
paid by tariffs.  We DO need to return to this way of taxation.  Big
business found a way to get us to pay their way into this country for a
large part with the income tax system so they get a more or less free ride
into this country with foreign goods.  I think that we should possibly tax
businesses for the foreign labor they use in programming.  If the IRS can
check on all of us the Government can check on all the businesses that are
using foreign labor over seas to write programs.

gj

-----Original Message-----
From: cfowler [mailto:cfowler at outpostsentinel.com]
To: ale at ale.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:03 AM
To: Malcolm Silberman
Cc: 'ALE'
Subject: RE: [ale] H1B -- What To Do

You tariff the hourly rate.  Maybe $10 - $20 per hour.  Proctetive
Tariffs are not meant for revenue.  They are meant to protect US
citizens



On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 08:59, Malcolm Silberman wrote:
> and how do you tariff a 3k C file being sent across the Internet?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfowler [mailto:cfowler at outpostsentinel.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:54 AM
> To: Malcolm Silberman
> Cc: 'ALE'
> Subject: RE: [ale] H1B -- What To Do
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> protective tariffs
>
> On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 07:49, Malcolm Silberman wrote:
> > There is another dynamic coming into play that you should be aware of.
> Tons
> > of projects are being shipped off-shore. As an example we get our coding
> > done in India from anywhere between $10 to $30 per hour. On this side
the
> > skill set required is not hard-core programmers but rather integration
> > experts, project managers and the like.
> >
> > The quality of the work is often quite high, and as good as I have
> > encountered here in the US. The projects all seem to come in at or under
> > budget and clients are satisfied. The biggest challenge is in the same
old
> > project management issues we have always faced. Technologies such as
chat,
> > forums, bug tracking all make this type of development model fairy
> workable.
> >
> > Whether H1B's are disappearing or not - factor this often unseen dynamic
> on
> > the developer economy. There is little that government imposition can
do,
> > and retraining in core languages may not be the approach to take.
However,
> > opportunities at a co-ordination and control level seem to be relevant.
> > (Obviously a core understanding of software languages is still needed).
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> >
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