[ale] Ale Inc.? - Let's stop the war... please.

[Geoffrey]

James P. Kinney III wrote:

> Only if you request it in 4 different languages ;-)
> 
> On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 22:05, Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> 
>>Guys, I didn't want to start a language war here.  I think we can all agree
>>that every language has it's pluses and minuses.  I vote that we stop this
>>war.  Please.


War?  I thought it was some pretty interesting discussion. 
Particularily since I'm in the process of doing some pretty heavy duty 
applet/servlet Java programming. :)

I must admit, Java is an unusual animal, inspite of my previous 
experiences with C, perl, shell, awk....


>>
>>Thanks,
>>CB
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Geoffrey [mailto:esoteric at 3times25.net]
>>>Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:36 PM
>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>Subject: Re: [ale] Ale Inc.? (was RE: [ale] surviving sans work
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Kevin Krumwiede wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>       I'd disagree.  It is meaningful to point out that if you're
>>>>>doing Java, you do it OOP and you're not given a choice (even Python
>>>>>(*shudder* :) will let you get away with being somewhat procedural for
>>>>>the main body of your program; at least for things on the order of
>>>>>`hello world').  It's meaningful that Java enforces strong typing
>>>>>(with all the benefits and hindrances that brings with it).
>>>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>>I agree that being forced to use OOP is annoying.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You really don't want a language designed to do both OOP and structured.
>>>  If you do, some schmuck will toggle between the two and put us all in
>>>the loony bin.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I the main body of my
>>>>programs usually resides in a class where everything is static, or else
>>>>simply local to the main method.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Would that be a reasonable approach to programming?
>>>
>>>
>>>>The weirdest thing in the world is a
>>>>program that creates an instance of itself in its own main method.  The
>>>>first time I saw that, it just twisted my brain in little knots and I
>>>>resolved never to do it. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Methinks my Javaless brain would call that recursion???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joseph is right, too, about the need for something akin to C++
>>>>
>>>templates.
>>>
>>>>There's something in the works being pushed by a few for
>>>>
>>>inclusion into Java
>>>
>>>>1.5, but that's a long way off.  As it is, Java's container
>>>>
>>>classes store
>>>
>>>>everything as Objects -- the equivalent of void pointers.  As
>>>>
>>>he said, this
>>>
>>>>can render Java's supposedly strong type-safety all but useless.
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Until later: Geoffrey		esoteric at 3times25.net
>>>
>>>"...the system (Microsoft passport) carries significant risks to
>>>users that
>>>are not made adequately clear in the technical documentation available."
>>>- David P. Kormann and Aviel D. Rubin, AT&T Labs - Research
>>>- http://www.avirubin.com/passport.html
>>>
>>>
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Until later: Geoffrey		esoteric at 3times25.net

"...the system (Microsoft passport) carries significant risks to users that
are not made adequately clear in the technical documentation available."
- David P. Kormann and Aviel D. Rubin, AT&T Labs - Research
- http://www.avirubin.com/passport.html


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