[ale] Ale Inc.? - Let's stop the war... please.

James P. Kinney III jkinney at localnetsolutions.com
Mon Feb 4 21:52:14 EST 2002


Only if you request it in 4 different languages ;-)

On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 22:05, Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> Guys, I didn't want to start a language war here.  I think we can all agree
> that every language has it's pluses and minuses.  I vote that we stop this
> war.  Please.
> 
> Thanks,
> CB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoffrey [mailto:esoteric at 3times25.net]
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:36 PM
> > To: ale at ale.org
> > Subject: Re: [ale] Ale Inc.? (was RE: [ale] surviving sans work
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin Krumwiede wrote:
> >
> > >>        I'd disagree.  It is meaningful to point out that if you're
> > >>doing Java, you do it OOP and you're not given a choice (even Python
> > >>(*shudder* :) will let you get away with being somewhat procedural for
> > >>the main body of your program; at least for things on the order of
> > >>`hello world').  It's meaningful that Java enforces strong typing
> > >>(with all the benefits and hindrances that brings with it).
> >
> >  >
> >
> > >
> > > I agree that being forced to use OOP is annoying.
> >
> >
> > You really don't want a language designed to do both OOP and structured.
> >   If you do, some schmuck will toggle between the two and put us all in
> > the loony bin.
> >
> > > I the main body of my
> > > programs usually resides in a class where everything is static, or else
> > > simply local to the main method.
> >
> >
> > Would that be a reasonable approach to programming?
> >
> > > The weirdest thing in the world is a
> > > program that creates an instance of itself in its own main method.  The
> > > first time I saw that, it just twisted my brain in little knots and I
> > > resolved never to do it. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Methinks my Javaless brain would call that recursion???
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Joseph is right, too, about the need for something akin to C++
> > templates.
> > > There's something in the works being pushed by a few for
> > inclusion into Java
> > > 1.5, but that's a long way off.  As it is, Java's container
> > classes store
> > > everything as Objects -- the equivalent of void pointers.  As
> > he said, this
> > > can render Java's supposedly strong type-safety all but useless.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Until later: Geoffrey		esoteric at 3times25.net
> >
> > "...the system (Microsoft passport) carries significant risks to
> > users that
> > are not made adequately clear in the technical documentation available."
> > - David P. Kormann and Aviel D. Rubin, AT&T Labs - Research
> > - http://www.avirubin.com/passport.html
> >
> >
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