[ale] OT: H1B

[Matty]

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 10:47, Hogg, Russell E wrote:
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> You'll notice that I didn't suggest throwing open the borders, or removing
> the metal detectors or those damn random searches from the airport lines.

Though getting strip searched sux :(

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> Balance must be maintained.
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> Russ
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cougar [mailto:cougaram at charter.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:39 AM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
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> You asked; "Whats worth more?  Our security or our ideals?"
> Answer: "In order for 'ideals' to be practiced, security *must* exist."
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> On Thursday 19 December 2002 10:21, Hogg, Russell E wrote:
> > " Americans kill me sometimes "
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> > Hey now, don't judge us all like that.  There are what maybe several
> > hundred people on this list, only a few have stepped off the deep end with
> > their blame of immigrants for their problems.  For what it's worth most of
> > them are probably out of a high paying job.  Well I've been there before
> so
> > it's ok with me if they vent a little.
> >
> > My guess is that their views would be much more moderate and based on
> logic
> > and understanding if they weren't worried about where the next mortgage
> > payment is coming from.
> >
> > A lot of the posters, and the probably the vast majority of the folks on
> > the list, have very reasonable viewpoints.
> >
> > As for voting Republican/Conservative, that's the only real choice you
> > have. If we flit away our economic advantage then our way of life will go
> > with it. For what it's worth Liberal economic policy (or maybe even
> > understanding) has been trounced on this list several times lately.
> > (Grant Robertson going 1 against 3 or 4 if memory serves)
> >
> > My guess is that most of the people on the list who vote liberal do so
> > because they believe in the social policies of the Democratic Party.  I
> > certainly hope this is the case, as opposed to a belief that they are a
> > victim of some sort of conservative conspiracy, as a couple of posters
> here
> > have said.  (Rich people don't pay taxes is the quote that comes to mind.)
> >
> > I think I can safely say that one of the tenements of success is not
> "think
> > of your self as a victim".
> >
> > In a general sense I tend to agree with conservative social ideals as
> well.
> > The difference is that I don't have specific facts that support my beliefs
> > like I do with economics.
> >
> > On the next issue raised: how far are we willing to go?  Sure following
> > every immigrant from a terrorist harboring country sounds like a good
> idea.
> > But how far do you take it?  Don't you think they'll just a find a way to
> > start coming as French Citizens if we stop them from coming from Arabic
> > countries. (those darn French!) And hey all this shit costs money too.
> > Money that isn't feeding the hungry or educating the poor.
> >
> > The truth is that being free carries with it a whole lot of risk.  A scary
> > amount of risk.  And we have to decide how free or un-free we are willing
> > to be.
> >
> > Remember, racial profiling works, but it's prejudice in action.
> > Whats worth more?  Our security or our ideals?
> >
> > Think of the big picture before you answer.  We have a responsibility to
> > the generations that follow us.
> >
> > Ok somebody post that Ben Franklin quote now.
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> > My last post garnered me no flames, I trust this one will do better.
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> > Russ
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