[ale] OT: H1B

[George Johnson]

Ben Franklin said that he that would give up a little freedom for a
little security deserves neither.

gj

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Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:39 AM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B

You asked; "Whats worth more?  Our security or our ideals?"
Answer: "In order for 'ideals' to be practiced, security *must* exist."

  

On Thursday 19 December 2002 10:21, Hogg, Russell E wrote:
> " Americans kill me sometimes "
>
> Hey now, don't judge us all like that.  There are what maybe several
> hundred people on this list, only a few have stepped off the deep end
with
> their blame of immigrants for their problems.  For what it's worth
most of
> them are probably out of a high paying job.  Well I've been there
before so
> it's ok with me if they vent a little.
>
> My guess is that their views would be much more moderate and based on
logic
> and understanding if they weren't worried about where the next
mortgage
> payment is coming from.
>
> A lot of the posters, and the probably the vast majority of the folks
on
> the list, have very reasonable viewpoints.
>
> As for voting Republican/Conservative, that's the only real choice you
> have. If we flit away our economic advantage then our way of life will
go
> with it. For what it's worth Liberal economic policy (or maybe even
> understanding) has been trounced on this list several times lately.
> (Grant Robertson going 1 against 3 or 4 if memory serves)
>
> My guess is that most of the people on the list who vote liberal do so
> because they believe in the social policies of the Democratic Party.
I
> certainly hope this is the case, as opposed to a belief that they are
a
> victim of some sort of conservative conspiracy, as a couple of posters
here
> have said.  (Rich people don't pay taxes is the quote that comes to
mind.)
>
> I think I can safely say that one of the tenements of success is not
"think
> of your self as a victim".
>
> In a general sense I tend to agree with conservative social ideals as
well.
> The difference is that I don't have specific facts that support my
beliefs
> like I do with economics.
>
> On the next issue raised: how far are we willing to go?  Sure
following
> every immigrant from a terrorist harboring country sounds like a good
idea.
> But how far do you take it?  Don't you think they'll just a find a way
to
> start coming as French Citizens if we stop them from coming from
Arabic
> countries. (those darn French!) And hey all this shit costs money too.
> Money that isn't feeding the hungry or educating the poor.
>
> The truth is that being free carries with it a whole lot of risk.  A
scary
> amount of risk.  And we have to decide how free or un-free we are
willing
> to be.
>
> Remember, racial profiling works, but it's prejudice in action.
> Whats worth more?  Our security or our ideals?
>
> Think of the big picture before you answer.  We have a responsibility
to
> the generations that follow us.
>
> Ok somebody post that Ben Franklin quote now.
>
> My last post garnered me no flames, I trust this one will do better.
>
> Russ
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