[ale] OT: H1B

[Matty]

On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 20:42, George Johnson wrote:
> Maybe if these bozo companies were made to pay for the products/programs
> via a tariff then this might change some of this crap.  This country
> went without even an income tax system for the first 160 years as
> everything imported was taxed as a means of the outside company paying
> for access to our market.  We should bring that back.  

Well, there are adverse effects to raising tariffs. If tariffs are
increased, the merchant just passes those extra costs on to the
consumer. America is also put under scrutiny from the world, and the
goods we export get tariffed in other countries. The US still has a
booming agriculture business, and sells a lot of agricultural goods
abroad. This would probably hurt farmers in the United States even
further (they are hurting today).

> 
> I am wondering just what we will do if one of these 3rd world countries
> wound up in a major war like India and Pakistan almost have and still
> may some day.  If they make all of our electronics and programs no one
> here will be interested in learning how to program and there will be no
> factories here to produce what we need.  Something tells me we could be
> in heap big dodo.
> 
> gj 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> ahuitzot at mindspring.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:46 AM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:06:33 -0500 Bob Evans <bobevans19 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > If this 
> > globalization thing is the wave of the future,
> > how come it's one way 
> > only? I live in North Carolina, which used to
> > have a thriving textile 
> > industry. A large part of that work went
> > overseas a couple years back. 
> > So now I, as a consumer, should benefit from
> > that move, by getting 
> > cheaper clothes, right? Heck, for what they pay
> > the people making 
> > shirts, I should get 'em for 5 or 6 bucks a
> > piece. Unfortunately, that 
> > isn't the case.
> 
> Until the CEO's and other corperate morons that are doing this
> offshoring get
> the clue, I am not sure what will happen.  Sure offshoring SHOULD make
> it so
> that we would only pay $6 for a sweatshop produced garment, but its not
> that
> way.  Why?  I bet its because the "upper management" that actually did
> the
> offshoring are getting a large cut of the "newly found profits".  Until
> these
> morons understand that if they keep doing this offshoring there will be
> noone
> in the US that can afford these things (no jobs == no money) then we are
> going
> to be doomed I am afraid.
> 
> I think its a rather stupid mentality this "Lets get rid of our
> expensive US
> labour (in any industry) and replace it with cheap offshore labour, then
> we
> can reduce the price of our goods (a very little bit) and make things
> more
> affordable for our customers!"  And then the "customers" (who were
> employees,
> but the management is too stupid to realise this) go "Well we would buy
> these
> nice cheaply made products you are offering us now, but we have no
> monies to
> buy them with.  Remember you fired us all to make these things cheaper?"
> 
> I am no economist by any means, but this is what it looks like is
> happening. 
> If it continues to happen, the big moronic companies will have all sorts
> of
> products being "MADE IN AMERICA"  (well atleast the company is
> American...
> Yeah right) but no one in America will be able to afford them
> anymore.... 
> This does not make any sense to me!
> 
> BTW, why is it legal for a company to be in America, sell to people and
> companies in America, but have most if not all (anything over 50%) the
> companies work done off shore (as is the case it seems in alot of these
> new
> off shore ventures) and yet not have to pay any import tarrifs such as a
> forign company would?  I would concider a company forign if it did more
> then
> 50% of its work offshore....  I think something is seriously wrong with
> that
> picture...
> 
> Mike
> 
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