[ale] OT: H1B

[George Johnson]

The remark I made about "hotel patel" was not meant to be racist (and I take
it back if some took it that way).  I worked in a large hotel's IT
department dealing with the individual hotels that had problems with their
SCO Unix systems.  I would have to get the only person in the room that is
from India to come over to my phone to speak their native toung to help them
out as their English was so bad.  It was not easy to deal with.  They got
quite upset when you could not understand them and they had a line of guests
in front of them.  Drove me nuts.

gj

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From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 9:33 AM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: RE: [ale] OT: H1B


I usually do not reply to this kind of krap, but I will make an exception
this
time.  I do think that the person who made the "hotel patel" comment was a
bit
extreme, and I would possibly take that as a racist comment.

But on the subject, I will state, and this is from my experience and factual
evidence, I DID NOT LOOSE MY JOB DUE TO H1B VISAS.  I lost it because the
CEO
of the company decided to OUTSOURCE the company's software development to
another country.  EVEN THE H1B'S where I worked LOST THEIR JOB.  THE H1B is
not the problem.  Its the corprate mentality to get the job done as cheap as
it can be, reguardless of the human factor that is killing the US economy
and
our jobs.  The H1B's may be beneficial in other areas, I am sure they are
not
just extending them because of the software industry (almost nonexistant one
at that), I am sure there are other industries in the US in dire need of
qualified workers, and since the colleges and technical schools have all
been
pushing IT, there very well could be a shortage of qualified people in other
areas.  Of course I could also be talking completely out my ass on that one.


So how many people on this list actually lost their job due to an H1B?  Can
you prove thats why?

Oh, and BTW, people with H1B's are people too, maybe if you got to know one
and became friends with one (like I did at my previous job) you may actually
decide to treat them like people and not outcasts.  Stop reacting from fear
and ignorance (of loosing your job or whatever) and instead act with
intelligence and kindness.

Mike

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:01:13 -0500 Irv Mullins <irvm at ellijay.com> wrote:

> On Monday 16 December 2002 12:53 am, Benjamin
> Scherrey wrote:
>
> > You people are a bunch of pathetic racist
> losers who don't have a clue as
> > to what you are talking about. These are the
> same arguments that have been
> > used to support segregation and attacks on
> minority owned businesses. Why
> > don't you all go move to Zimbabwe where you
> will find your views more more
> > in line with the present government? They
> really don't belong on this list
> > or in America.
> >
> > 	Ben Scherrey
>
> Hmm. Seems to me that the pathetic loser is the
> one who has to hang ugly
> labels on people because he cannot counter
> their arguments with facts.
>
> American citizens have certain rights - in the
> US -, just as Mexican, French ,
> etc citizens do in their own countries. Rights
> that I, as a US citizen, DO
> NOT EXPECT to have if I am a visitor to their
> countries.
>
> Are the French racists because innkeepers
> demand your passport?
> Are the Mexicans racists because they won't let
> foreigners own land
> near the ocean? Or because they expect
> foreigners to pay for their own
> college education? Why, you can't even go to
> Mexico and stay for
> an unlimited time without having to report
> periodically to renew your visitor
> status. How draconian!
>
> No, they're not racists. They have laws, and
> those laws do not give visitors
> the same rights as citizens. There's no reason
> they should. Unless a country
> is in dire need of labor, there's no reason
> that country should provide *any*
> benefits whatsoever to non-citizens.
>
> Irv
>
>
>
>
>
>
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