[ale] OT: H1B

Mon Dec 16 15:30:31 EST 2002

Geoffrey,
This is different issue you are talking about. And here i agree with you.
But just saying that  visa holders has certain _advantages_ over the
citizens, excuse my French, is a pure BS.

I'm not following the "medical visas" question. But i found it interesting
how hospitals ( let say hospitals ) reacted on the proposal to allow more
foreign nurses to enter and work in the country.
AZ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoffrey [mailto:esoteric at 3times25.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:19 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
> 
> 
> Special treatment or not, there should be a better system to 
> for these 
> issues.  People from other countries should not be permitted to enter 
> this country and take a job with so many folks out of work.
> 
> And, FYI, I am employed and actually hoping for an early retirement 
> package offer.
> 
> 
> Zyman, Andy wrote:
> > Stephen,
> > 
> >>However, I do agree that holders of H1B visas should not 
> receive special
> >>treatment that not even American citizens receive.
> > 
> > May i ask you what is the "special treatment" is ? Paying 
> social insurance,
> > unemployment, medical etc. taxes and have 12 ( correct me 
> please in number )
> > days to leave country in case he lost his job? Unable to 
> provide services to
> > any other company just because you allowed to work only for 
> the company who
> > holds your visa?
> > 
> > Could you please put a list of the "special treatment" 
> package from which
> > holder of H1b visa gain over the citizen/perm. resident? 
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: stephen at touset.dyndns.org [mailto:stephen at touset.dyndns.org]
> >>Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:31 AM
> >>To: ale at ale.org
> >>Subject: RE: [ale] OT: H1B
> >>
> >>
> >>I have no problem with our Customs officials handing out 
> >>visas. We're not
> >>going to stop any terrorist attacks by keeping others out of the
> >>country--just like with gun control, they'll find a way 
> >>around it. We have
> >>thousands of miles of unproteced borders that anyone could 
> >>cross, and we
> >>have no way of preventing it.
> >>However, I do agree that holders of H1B visas should not 
> >>receive special
> >>treatment that not even American citizens receive. I don't 
> >>pay taxes so
> >>that someone can have an easier time because of my work. I 
> >>pay taxes so
> >>that politicians can have $150,000/yr salaries and gigantic 
> >>bureaucracies
> >>can lose it, and damnit, I want to keep it that way. We have 
> >>far too many
> >>people immigrating into this country to receive benefits like 
> >>welfare and
> >>social security, contributing nothing in the process. The 
> real problem
> >>here is not with the immigration itself, but with the 
> >>existence of such
> >>opportunities. If we were to eliminate welfare, social 
> >>security, etc., all
> >>across the board, more immigrants to the United States would 
> >>be here to
> >>work and produce, instead of consume. Hell, our own citizens 
> >>would, too.
> >>Stephen Touset
> >>
> >>
> >>>I agree 100%!!  Getting tired of Hotel Patel myself.  Want 
> >>
> >>an english
> >>
> >>>speaking and understanding person to talk with after being 
> >>
> >>on the road
> >>
> >>>for a long time especially if it is late.
> >>>
> >>>gj
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf 
> >>
> >>Of Cougar
> >>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:13 PM
> >>>To: ale at ale.org
> >>>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>... and should they start a business, they get extremely 
> >>
> >>low tax rates
> >>
> >>>(unavailable to US CITIZENS) for TWO years, after which they are
> >>>allowed to SELL their business to relatives back home and the whole
> >>>process renews! Don't believe it? Just check out the 
> >>
> >>ownership of 99%
> >>
> >>>of the motels along our
> >>>interstate system.  It's time we start voting AGAINST 
> >>
> >>legislators who
> >>
> >>>support
> >>>this garbage! (or start taxing the aliens until THEY bleed 
> >>
> >>instead of
> >>
> >>>us.)
> >>>
> >>>Cougar
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Sunday 15 December 2002 20:59, Robert Heaven wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>And, would you believe, the US government is giving these 
> >>
> >>immigrants
> >>
> >>>>low interest loans using OUR tax money to help them get 
> >>
> >>set up in this
> >>
> >>>>country.
> >>>>
> >>>>On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 14:19, George Johnson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>That is a FACT!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>george johnson
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf Of
> >>>>>Cougar Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:39 PM
> >>>>>To: ale at ale.org
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>We've *got* to stop handing out visas like they were 
> >>
> >>'free coupons'.
> >>
> >>>>>Period.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Cougar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Friday 13 December 2002 16:14, Jordi S. Bunster wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 16:00, Cougar wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>And you can bet your last nickle that should a 
> >>
> >>terrorist cyber
> >>
> >>>attack
> >>>
> >>>>>>>happen, it will come from one of those H1-B visa 
> >>
> >>holders! It's
> >>
> >>>>>>>time for this garbage to come to a screeching halt.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Like one would need to be inside the US to do that 
> >>
> >>kind of thing?
> >>
> >>>>>>Or with a real passport, for that matter?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I think you underestimate what those suckers have done, and how
> >>>
> >>>airport
> >>>
> >>>>>>security/imigration failed at doing their job right.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>The US government has everything it needs to send back every
> >>>>>>single immigrant in the country. It could even be done without
> >>>>>>having
> >>>
> >>>problems
> >>>
> >>>>>>with the UN or similar groups. Do you have any ideas about why
> >>>>>>they don't do it? D'you really think that would end 
> >>
> >>your problems
> >>
> >>>>>>with "terrorism" once and for all?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Geez. My mother is a holder of an H1B. All the poor 
> >>
> >>creature does
> >>
> >>>>>>is consulting for an american company that sells 
> >>
> >>clothes in south
> >>
> >>>america.
> >>>
> >>>>>>Go figure.
> >>>>>
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