[ale] OT: H1B

Mon Dec 16 15:19:27 EST 2002

Special treatment or not, there should be a better system to for these 
issues.  People from other countries should not be permitted to enter 
this country and take a job with so many folks out of work.

And, FYI, I am employed and actually hoping for an early retirement 
package offer.

Zyman, Andy wrote:
> Stephen,
> 
>>However, I do agree that holders of H1B visas should not receive special
>>treatment that not even American citizens receive.
> 
> May i ask you what is the "special treatment" is ? Paying social insurance,
> unemployment, medical etc. taxes and have 12 ( correct me please in number )
> days to leave country in case he lost his job? Unable to provide services to
> any other company just because you allowed to work only for the company who
> holds your visa?
> 
> Could you please put a list of the "special treatment" package from which
> holder of H1b visa gain over the citizen/perm. resident? 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stephen at touset.dyndns.org [mailto:stephen at touset.dyndns.org]
>>Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:31 AM
>>To: ale at ale.org
>>Subject: RE: [ale] OT: H1B
>>
>>
>>I have no problem with our Customs officials handing out 
>>visas. We're not
>>going to stop any terrorist attacks by keeping others out of the
>>country--just like with gun control, they'll find a way 
>>around it. We have
>>thousands of miles of unproteced borders that anyone could 
>>cross, and we
>>have no way of preventing it.
>>However, I do agree that holders of H1B visas should not 
>>receive special
>>treatment that not even American citizens receive. I don't 
>>pay taxes so
>>that someone can have an easier time because of my work. I 
>>pay taxes so
>>that politicians can have $150,000/yr salaries and gigantic 
>>bureaucracies
>>can lose it, and damnit, I want to keep it that way. We have 
>>far too many
>>people immigrating into this country to receive benefits like 
>>welfare and
>>social security, contributing nothing in the process. The real problem
>>here is not with the immigration itself, but with the 
>>existence of such
>>opportunities. If we were to eliminate welfare, social 
>>security, etc., all
>>across the board, more immigrants to the United States would 
>>be here to
>>work and produce, instead of consume. Hell, our own citizens 
>>would, too.
>>Stephen Touset
>>
>>
>>>I agree 100%!!  Getting tired of Hotel Patel myself.  Want 
>>
>>an english
>>
>>>speaking and understanding person to talk with after being 
>>
>>on the road
>>
>>>for a long time especially if it is late.
>>>
>>>gj
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf 
>>
>>Of Cougar
>>
>>>Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:13 PM
>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
>>>
>>>
>>>... and should they start a business, they get extremely 
>>
>>low tax rates
>>
>>>(unavailable to US CITIZENS) for TWO years, after which they are
>>>allowed to SELL their business to relatives back home and the whole
>>>process renews! Don't believe it? Just check out the 
>>
>>ownership of 99%
>>
>>>of the motels along our
>>>interstate system.  It's time we start voting AGAINST 
>>
>>legislators who
>>
>>>support
>>>this garbage! (or start taxing the aliens until THEY bleed 
>>
>>instead of
>>
>>>us.)
>>>
>>>Cougar
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sunday 15 December 2002 20:59, Robert Heaven wrote:
>>>
>>>>And, would you believe, the US government is giving these 
>>
>>immigrants
>>
>>>>low interest loans using OUR tax money to help them get 
>>
>>set up in this
>>
>>>>country.
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 14:19, George Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>That is a FACT!!
>>>>>
>>>>>george johnson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf Of
>>>>>Cougar Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:39 PM
>>>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We've *got* to stop handing out visas like they were 
>>
>>'free coupons'.
>>
>>>>>Period.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cougar
>>>>>
>>>>>On Friday 13 December 2002 16:14, Jordi S. Bunster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 16:00, Cougar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And you can bet your last nickle that should a 
>>
>>terrorist cyber
>>
>>>attack
>>>
>>>>>>>happen, it will come from one of those H1-B visa 
>>
>>holders! It's
>>
>>>>>>>time for this garbage to come to a screeching halt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like one would need to be inside the US to do that 
>>
>>kind of thing?
>>
>>>>>>Or with a real passport, for that matter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you underestimate what those suckers have done, and how
>>>
>>>airport
>>>
>>>>>>security/imigration failed at doing their job right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The US government has everything it needs to send back every
>>>>>>single immigrant in the country. It could even be done without
>>>>>>having
>>>
>>>problems
>>>
>>>>>>with the UN or similar groups. Do you have any ideas about why
>>>>>>they don't do it? D'you really think that would end 
>>
>>your problems
>>
>>>>>>with "terrorism" once and for all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Geez. My mother is a holder of an H1B. All the poor 
>>
>>creature does
>>
>>>>>>is consulting for an american company that sells 
>>
>>clothes in south
>>
>>>america.
>>>
>>>>>>Go figure.
>>>>>
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