Have you checked that /etc/securetty has the tty device in it that you are logging in from and the file has sensible modes? Bob Toxen bob at cavu.com transam at cavu.com [ALE & linux-ppp] http://www.mindspring.com/~cavu Fly-By-Day Consulting, Inc. "Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus" (We came, we saw, we hacked)