<html><head></head><body>Heh, heh. I understand. I had everything except internet. <br>
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I have a 15KW backup generator on natural gas. Can't stop a tree fall or truck wreck from taking out a phone pole :-(<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On September 23, 2017 10:58:31 PM EDT, Raj Wurttemberg <rajaw@c64.us> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">I should have said why the 114W was an issue. I'm not a "prepper" but every now and then we have an extended power outage (i.e. Irma) and I do like to try to limit my watts and amps for a small off-grid, solar setup I have put together. We lost power during Irma but we had internet, lights, laptops, and tablets until the power came back on. Probably not a care or worry for most... it's just a hobby for me. :)<div><br /></div><div>/Raj</div><div><br /></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Jim Kinney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I never mix investment payoff with geek appeal or security. If the budget is too tight to run the hardware, I need to be doing other things. AC, dryer, fridge = big power. My stack of gear in the basement is worth every W in my happiness (until something breaks then it's all just a pile of garbage to be replaced asap).<br />
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I will be using that rack to provide crawlspace heating this winter:-). The floor in my den is usually quite cold.<br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On September 23, 2017 3:04:47 PM EDT, Steve Litt <<a href="mailto:slitt@troubleshooters.com" target="_blank">slitt@troubleshooters.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<pre class="m_3393225360997062868k9mail"><div><div class="h5">On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 00:31:54 -0700<br />Alex Carver <<a href="mailto:agcarver%2Bale@acarver.net" target="_blank">agcarver+ale@acarver.net</a>> wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex"> On 2017-09-22 15:59, Joey Kelly wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ad7fa8;padding-left:1ex"> On Friday 22 September 2017 12:53:34 DJ-Pfulio wrote: <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #8ae234;padding-left:1ex"> The newer APU2 CPUs handle 750+Mbps on their GigE connections<br /> thanks to Intel NICs. These aren't the old Alix boards. <br /></blockquote> <br /> I'm about to get a few of these for my lab. I'm working on a<br /> perpetual dev project and had wanted to use Soekris, but they just<br /> pulled out of the US. I started looking for a replacement and found<br /> these, the apparent Alix successor. These things are beefier and<br /> way cheaper, so it's a win.<br /> <br /> On a side note, there's lots of little router-style boxes out of<br /> there, but most of them are from Red China. I shudder to think what<br /> lurks in the firmware.<br /> <br /> --Joey<br /> <br /></blockquote> <br /> I've been looking at one of these though I haven't pulled the trigger<br /> yet since they're not cheap. Not necessarily direct from China<br /> (though one office is in Taiwan).<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.logicsupply.com/ml400g-12" target="_blank">https://www.logicsupply.com/<wbr />ml400g-12</a>/<br /></blockquote><br />Not cheap is an understatement. At 15 cents/kw-hr, I spend about<br />$0.40/day running my guestimate 100 watt ancient box. So that's in the<br />neighborhood of $150/year. It would take me 4.4 years running the<br />recommended low power computer to break even. Would the $662 computer<br />last that long and still be relevant to start saving? It's a<br />reasonable question, although I have a feeling the answer would be<br />"yes".<br /><br />In this calculation I assumed the low power unit uses 0 watts, because<br />my round figure of 100w for my old commodity box is probably low too.<br /><br />For those of us living in warm climates, a factor in favor of the low<br />power machine is that my 100 watts creates heat which must be<br />removed via the rather inefficient method of air conditioning,<br />effectively raising the wattage I pay for due to this one computer.<br /><br />I'd feel much better about this investment if it were $300.00. An<br />investment that pays for itself in 2 years is a no brainer, as long as<br />there's a reasonable expectation the equipment will last longer than<br />that.<br /><br />Whether you buy one of these or not, it's essential to have a second<br />computer, probably an old commodity box, at the ready in case this one<br />screws up. You should also have an up to date copy of pfSense or ipCop<br />or OpenBSD or whatever you're using to firewall.<br /><br />I love the fact that, as configured, this computer has no wifi. I<br />really want my wifi separate from my firewall.<br /><br />SteveT<br /><br />Steve Litt<br />September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical<br />Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition<br /><a href="http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr" target="_blank">http://www.troubleshooters.<wbr />com/mgr</a><br /><hr /><br /></div></div><span class="">Ale mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:Ale@ale.org" target="_blank">Ale@ale.org</a><br /><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/<wbr />listinfo/ale</a><br />See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br /><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/<wbr />listinfo</a><br /></span></pre></blockquote></div><br /><span class="">
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