<html><head><style type="text/css">p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div>Cool new toy from Ubiquiti:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://inwall.ubnt.com/">https://inwall.ubnt.com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>puts an AC WAP in a wall plate that has dual 1G ethernet with PoE. And _still_ has an external PoE 1G port and a non-powered 1G port</div><div><br></div><div>On Tue, 2017-09-12 at 11:47 -0400, Scott Plante wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">My understanding is that the UniFi uses a centralized management software while the EdgeSwitch uses a local individual web/ssh management interface. It used to be you had more flexibility with the ssh command line interface but they have been releasing new iterations of the UniFi control software so that may not be true so much anymore.</span></font><br><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div id="345c0c0d-4000-4b0c-b882-3bb9407949a1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">We just ordered a 48 port EdgeSwitch, Amazon Warehouse scratch-and-dent to save money. Supposedly only had a scratched finish on the back but turned out to be DOA. Fans would run but no lights and no switching. The full price version wasn't prime, and we already have a Ubiquity wi-fi using the management software, so I ordered the UniFi 48-port switch--supposed to be here Wednesday.</div><div id="345c0c0d-4000-4b0c-b882-3bb9407949a1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div id="345c0c0d-4000-4b0c-b882-3bb9407949a1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">For the UniFi, you can buy a small device (is it a RPi inside?) that has it running, or install it somewhere locally. At least for the hotspot, there's no way to administer the device directly, if I remember correctly.</div><div id="345c0c0d-4000-4b0c-b882-3bb9407949a1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div id="345c0c0d-4000-4b0c-b882-3bb9407949a1" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">https://hub.docker.com/r/jacobalberty/unifi/</font></div><div id="345c0c0d-4000-4b0c-b882-3bb9407949a1" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-Cloud-Key-Control/dp/B017T2QB22/</font></div><div id="345c0c0d-4000-4b0c-b882-3bb9407949a1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div id="345c0c0d-4000-4b0c-b882-3bb9407949a1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span name="x"></span>--<br>Scott Plante <br></div><br><hr id="zwchr" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;"><b>From: </b>"Derek Atkins" <derek@ihtfp.com><br><b>To: </b>"Kyle Brieden" <kyle@txmoose.com><br><b>Cc: </b>ale@ale.org, "Jim Kinney" <jim.kinney@gmail.com><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:09:20 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [ale] Future-proofing a house for networking -- what to run?<br><br>Kyle,<br><br>Thanks for the info. I must applogize to you -- I read your reply<br>before seeing the one to which you were replying.<br><br>The cameras I plan to get require 12W each (well, the power supply they<br>come with is a 12V 1A power supply -- so I'm ASSUMING that it will want<br>to draw 12W from PoE). This means that the 250W swich can only support<br>20 cameras (which *MAY* be sufficient). So that would certainly save<br>~$200 versus the -500W version. On the other hand part of that 250W<br>probably needs to power the router itself, so it's probably fewer<br>cameras than that. So I might still need to go to the 500W version for<br>$523.<br><br>The Cisco you list below only has 12 PoE ports, which isn't sufficient.<br><br>Question: What is the difference between the UniFi Switch and the<br>EdgeSwitch?<br><br>-derek<br><br>Kyle Brieden <kyle@txmoose.com> writes:<br><br>> I suppose I could have been more clear. I was not so much<br>> recommending the specific gear I have as I was recommending Ubiquiti<br>> as a brand, and noting the gear that I have as anecdotal evidence to<br>> support my recommendation. If you've already got high enough density<br>> switching infrastructure, don't change it for sake of having all your<br>> gear be the same brand. Network gear is network gear, and it all<br>> plays nice together... more or less, anyway. But Ubiquiti gear is, in<br>> my experience, far less expensive than comparably featured, supported,<br>> and classed gear from damn near any other manufacturer.<br>><br>><br>> 24 port managed PoE - $365 - <br>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UniFi-Switch-Managed-US-24-250W/dp/B00OJZUQ24/<br>> 24 port managed PoE - $385 - <br>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-EdgeSwitch-ES-24-250W-24-Ports-Managed/dp/B00LV8Z2V2/<br>> 24 port managed PoE - $305 - <br>> https://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SG200-26P-Ethernet-Mini-GBIC-SLM2024PT/dp/B004GHMU5Q/<br>> 24 port managed - $215 - <br>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-GS724Tv4-24-Port-Lifetime-Protection/dp/B00I5W5EGA/<br>> 24 port managed - $193 - <br>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-US-24-Unifi-Switch/dp/B01LZBLO0U/<br>> 24 port managed - $185 - <br>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-Edgeswitch-Gigabit-ES-24-LITE/dp/B013Z21ZJE/<br>><br>> There's lots of range and options, I was simply saying that I<br>> recommend Ubiquiti. Their support is incredibly helpful and<br>> knowledgeable (in my experience with them), their gear is high quality<br>> and easy to deploy, and I've been happy with the products I've<br>> purchased to date.<br>><br>> ---<br>> Very respectfully,<br>> Kyle Brieden<br>><br>> On 11-09-2017 15:30, Derek Atkins wrote:<br>>> Jim,<br>>><br>>> Yes, I know the US-24-500W is a 24-port switch. Kyle recommended an<br>>> 8-port, which doesn't help me.<br>>><br>>> The PoE switch is, as I just said, for my PoE IP Camera network. My<br>>> main<br>>> network is separate. I cannot leverage any open ports on this<br>>> switch for<br>>> my main network (and I doubt the IP cameras suppose VLANs).<br>>><br>>> I've already got a Cisco SG200-50 for my main switch. For the few<br>>> additional PoE devices I have (currently: 2) I can just use standard<br>>> PoE<br>>> power injectors. They cost $17 each, which is much less than the<br>>> additional cost of a PoE capable switch. So if I need to add a<br>>> second AP,<br>>> I'll happily pay another $17 vs having to spend an additional<br>>> $100-200 for<br>>> a (second) PoE-capable switch.<br>>><br>>> I would also prefer to limit the number of switches if I can to<br>>> limit the<br>>> required cross-connects (which of course become bottlenecks).<br>>><br>>> -derek<br>>><br>>> On Mon, September 11, 2017 3:16 pm, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>>>> That's a 24-port 1G PoE switch. It provides power to 24 downstream<br>>>> devices like phones, small switches and with some hacking, systems.<br>>>> That particular switch is pretty useful for being a gateway switch for<br>>>> other Ubiquiti WAPs (most all run on PoE).<br>>>> I have this for home wireless:<br>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO<br>>>> -US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505157073&sr=1-<br>>>> 1&keywords=ubiquiti%2BWAP&th=1<br>>>> Due to a large, sheetmetal duct in the center of the house between<br>>>> floors, there's a shadow in coverage that's not good. That $130 is a<br>>>> low cost way to slap a second unit in the ceiling on the top floor to<br>>>> fill in that shadow.<br>>>> Just search Amazon for Ubiquiti. Lots of toys at very good prices.<br>>>> On Mon, 2017-09-11 at 14:58 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:<br>>>>> Kyle,<br>>>>><br>>>>> The Unifi US-24-500W is $523 on Amazon. How is that<br>>>>> "inexpensive"? I<br>>>>> said I needed 16-24 ports, so not sure how an 8-port helps me. I do<br>>>>> admit<br>>>>> I didn't specify "rackmount" in my OP -- Mea Culpa. But I'd rather<br>>>>> find<br>>>>> something more in the $200 range for that purpose (a physically<br>>>>> private<br>>>>> network of IP security cameras).<br>>>>><br>>>>> Yes, I do have an Edgerouter for my main router, which replaced my<br>>>>> Routerboard because the RB750 couldn't keep up with my Gigapower<br>>>>> network.<br>>>>> I mostly like it.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Honestly I kind of like my DAP-2660 AC1200 AP and see little reason<br>>>>> to<br>>>>> switch. It's worked quite well for me.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Thanks,<br>>>>><br>>>>> -derek<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Mon, September 11, 2017 2:36 pm, Kyle Brieden wrote:<br>>>>> > EdgeOS, and absolutely LOVE my ubiquity gear. I got the Unifi 8<br>>>>> > port<br>>>>> > PoE switch, Unifi Security Gateway, and the WAP that support<br>>>>> > 802.11ac.<br>>>>> > It has literally changed my home networking. Can't recommend it<br>>>>> > enough.<br>>>>> > I got all 3 of those seriously high grade boxes for about the<br>>>>> > same<br>>>>> > price you pay for a consumer router that supports 802.11ac.<br>>>>> ><br>>>>> > HIGHLY recommend.<br>>>>> ><br>>>>> > +1<br>>>>> ><br>>>>> ><br>>>>> > ---<br>>>>> > Very respectfully,<br>>>>> > Kyle Brieden<br>>>>> ><br>>>>> > On 11-09-2017 11:19, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>>>>> > > On September 11, 2017 10:04:42 AM EDT, Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.<br>>>>> > > com><br>>>>> > > wrote:<br>>>>> > > > Jim,<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > On Mon, September 11, 2017 9:51 am, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>>>>> > > > > 10G multimode with lc connectors.<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > is it "easy" to build these? Are there LC connector keystone<br>>>>> > > > jacks<br>>>>> > > > available?<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > > Unless you _really_ are forward looking and install 100G.<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > OM3 fiber looks like it will get to 40/100G<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > > Otherwise install conduit and spare pull strings. That really<br>>>>> > > > > future-proofs an install.<br>>>>> > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > I would plan for a 1" conduit with a single cat6, one rg6,<br>>>>> > > > > one low<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > voltage<br>>>>> > > > > line (music) and a pull string.<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > I'm not sure this is REALLY an option for me.I feel it is<br>>>>> > > > certainly a<br>>>>> > > > more<br>>>>> > > > expensive option vs just running a bunch of cables now.<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > > Spend money on a distribution center that all these lines<br>>>>> > > > > start from.<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > Good<br>>>>> > > > > 10G switch, powered cable splitter, good remote adjustable<br>>>>> > > > > amp for<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > music<br>>>>> > > > > control.<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > Yes. My current house has a 96-port RJ45 patch panel (2/3<br>>>>> > > > full). I<br>>>>> > > > would<br>>>>> > > > definitely repeat that. Similar with audio -- I've got a 6-<br>>>>> > > > zone amp<br>>>>> > > > (although I dont think my current one is remotely adjustable --<br>>>>> > > > but I<br>>>>> > > > just<br>>>>> > > > adjust via iTunes).<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > I'm still researching TV/HDMI distribution systems....<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > Oh, and trying to find a good 16-24-port PoE (10/)100/1000<br>>>>> > > > switch.<br>>>>> > ><br>>>>> > > Look at Ubiquity. They have a selection of PoE switches in<br>>>>> > > various<br>>>>> > > port counts and rather affordable pricing. I've got a WAP and a<br>>>>> > > 16<br>>>>> > > port 10G switch from them. Pretty happy with both. Control<br>>>>> > > software is<br>>>>> > > closed source. Hardware looks like it may run the open switch<br>>>>> > > software<br>>>>> > > whose name escapes me.<br>>>>> > ><br>>>>> > ><br>>>>> > > > -derek<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > > On September 11, 2017 9:33:47 AM EDT, Derek Atkins <derek@iht<br>>>>> > > > > fp.com><br>>>>> > > > > wrote:<br>>>>> > > > > > Hi Alers,<br>>>>> > > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > > If you had the ability to future-proof your house (imagine<br>>>>> > > > > > open<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > studs,<br>>>>> > > > > > so you could run anything you wanted), what would you<br>>>>> > > > > > run. Assume a<br>>>>> > > > > > max<br>>>>> > > > > > of 6 cables per drop?<br>>>>> > > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > > Last time I ran 4x Cat6A and 2x RG6. However I'm never<br>>>>> > > > > > using both<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > RG6<br>>>>> > > > > > F-connectors, so I figured I could replace that with<br>>>>> > > > > > something else.<br>>>>> > > > > > And before you ask, yes, I *AM* using all 4 RJ45 connectors<br>>>>> > > > > > in some<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > of<br>>>>> > > > > > my drops (and in one place I wish I had MORE Rj45). So,<br>>>>> > > > > > what else<br>>>>> > > > > > should I run?<br>>>>> > > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > > My current theory is 4x Cat6A, 1x RG6, and 1x Fiber.<br>>>>> > > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > > However I'm not sure what kind of "fiber" to run, nor what<br>>>>> > > > > > kind of<br>>>>> > > > > > connector I should use.<br>>>>> > > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > > Any suggestions or recommendations?<br>>>>> > > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > > -derek<br>>>>> > > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > > --<br>>>>> > > > > > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745<br>>>>> > > > > > derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com<br>>>>> > > > > > Computer and Internet Security Consultant<br>>>>> > > > > > _______________________________________________<br>>>>> > > > > > Ale mailing list<br>>>>> > > > > > Ale@ale.org<br>>>>> > > > > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale<br>>>>> > > > > > See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br>>>>> > > > > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo<br>>>>> > > > ><br>>>>> > > > > --<br>>>>> > > > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. All tyopes are<br>>>>> > > > > thumb<br>>>>> > > ><br>>>>> > > > related<br>>>>> > > > > and reflect authenticity.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>><br>><br><br><pre>_______________________________________________
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