<div dir="auto">Usenet still exists. It's just not provided by ISPs by default anymore. Everything is all gui and web.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 1, 2017 9:37 PM, "Ed Cashin" <<a href="mailto:ecashin@noserose.net">ecashin@noserose.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Random thoughts in response:<div><br></div><div>1) On a podcast, "Ruby Rogues," I heard that many rubyists could be found at Go conferences. They were having fun using Go.</div><div><br></div><div>2) I really tried to turn into a lisp programmer, but the community was fragmented and terrible. This was about 2002.</div><div><br></div><div>3) After learning a few languages and getting jobs doing programming, the community became important not so much for support in learning but for support through smart and unified design and implementation. Ideally you'd get both.</div><div><br></div><div>4) I miss usenet. The web has forums, but they're disconnected by design, and while there are feed aggregators for RSS and such, there are no forum aggregators now that <a href="http://gmane.org" target="_blank">gmane.org</a> is dead.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Leam Hall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leamhall@gmail.com" target="_blank">leamhall@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I find myself greatly influenced by the community around the language and the books on the topic. Mentoring is beyond my skill; I was as much a learner as the others. The issue is the longer term sticking with it and the community of encouragement.<br>
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I started looking at some languages based on "Crafter" (C, Go) versus "Producer" (Ruby, Python). Not to say the language can't flow back and forth but they tend to attract a type of mindset. That was the original theory, anyway. I'm more of a Producer; quickly make something and share it. Crafters make fewer things but do them really really well.<br>
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Not sure if that image really holds water but I think the community attitude can influence newbies' enthusiasm based on similar mindsets.<div class="m_-5408479005869423428HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5408479005869423428h5"><br>
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On 07/01/17 10:22, Scott M. Jones wrote:<br>
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Did you find mentoring in C useful? Would it help in any other language?<br>
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-Scott<br>
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On 7/1/17 5:41 AM, Leam Hall wrote:<br>
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Michael, flipped through the first few pages of the book on Amazon. The<br>
author seems to raise good questions. Does he answer them? I'd like to<br>
move forward in my coding skills but seem to be hitting blocks. Trying<br>
to understand the mental game so I can adjust and move forward.<br>
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On 06/30/17 16:59, Michael Potter wrote:<br>
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"Perl, once my language of choice, now makes me physically nauseous."<br>
+100. I curse the day I started to learn Perl.<br>
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This book is a very interesting book. Good for an airplane:<br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Computer-Programming-Silver-Anniversary/dp/0932633420" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Psychol<wbr>ogy-Computer-Programming-Silve<wbr>r-Anniversary/dp/0932633420</a><br>
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I think in C.<br>
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I am learning R and golang right now.<br>
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On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Leam Hall <<a href="mailto:leamhall@gmail.com" target="_blank">leamhall@gmail.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:leamhall@gmail.com" target="_blank">leamhall@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Skipping over the long term coders who can do anything with<br>
assembler, I'm trying to root out some personality thoughts on<br>
programming languages. I'll have some alone time and would like to<br>
make some coding progress; things have slowed while I learn Ansible.<br>
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What has my interest is the mental perception I have of different<br>
languages. Ruby, and to a slightly lesser extent PHP, are just fun.<br>
Go, and C, are more academic and I find them powerful and dreary.<br>
Python is somewhere in the middle and Perl, once my language of<br>
choice, now makes me physically nauseous.<br>
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Does anyone else have this perception, even if the reaction to the<br>
same languages is different? More to the point, what can be done to<br>
alter the personal reception of a language? Ruby makes me want to<br>
code, C makes me want to sleep. Python makes me read e-mail to<br>
recover.<br>
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Leam<br>
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