<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Jeff Hubbs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jhubbslist@att.net" target="_blank">jhubbslist@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There's a certain issue of passing/failing the "ho-ho test:" if systemd were intrinsically, deeply, intransigently flawed, why would it be getting implemented across distributions that have completely independent management bodies? It's even supported as an alternative init system (one of five) for Gentoo (where I live my life).</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Really? We're going to go over this again? This DNS issue is a prime example of the problem. systemd's tentacles stretch far and wide; it is gobbling up every major function possible. This has led to very deep dependencies on systemd that are difficult to extricate. Therefore, if distro maintainers don't have the resources to keep surgically removing systemd from everything they want in their distro, it's just easier to let the devil in.</div><div><br></div><div>Want another example? <a href="https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428">https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428</a> <== systemd maintainer asking tmux to write in explicit support for systemd. Why in the hell does an init system need deep integration into tmux?</div><div><br></div><div>Here's another example of the reach, and subsequent _un_improvement, of systemd -- <a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2017-February/038343.html">https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2017-February/038343.html</a> . Its DHCP component can't renew a lease; most people consider that an important part of the spec.<br></div><div><br></div><div>For me, the only good thing to come out of systemd is Void Linux (<a href="http://voidlinux.eu">voidlinux.eu</a>), the hilarity that is <a href="https://twitter.com/systemdsucks">https://twitter.com/systemdsucks</a> , and DistroWatch adding a "not systemd" init filter to their advanced search filters (added by popular request).</div><div><br></div><div>I suffer through the tragedy that is systemd for work. It'll never touch one of my personal systems.</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">James Sumners<br><a href="http://james.sumners.info/" target="_blank">http://james.sumners.info/</a> (technical profile)<br><a href="http://jrfom.com/" target="_blank">http://jrfom.com/</a> (personal site)<br><a href="http://haplo.bandcamp.com/" target="_blank">http://haplo.bandcamp.com/</a> (music)</div>
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