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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">True enough. Doing things the RIGHT way takes time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of course a little bit of PLANNING might avoid delays but usually devs are on tight deadlines to deliver so often they want to rush things. My experience
has been that as often as not new code breaks things. Worse yet it often breaks things that were previously fixed because a lot of devs squirrel away code to use because source code control is viewed as an impedance to their jobs. More than once in my
life I’ve had to go and wipe hidden code saves from dev home directories because they didn’t want to do it the RIGHT way but rather the FAST way for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Old quote:<br>
There’s never time to do it the right but always time to do it over.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pete Hardie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] Preferred Linux under Docker?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">IME, devs want root because company policies mean that it takes admins forever to grant necessary privileges, install needed accounts, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:18 AM, DJ-Pfulio <<a href="mailto:DJPfulio@jdpfu.com" target="_blank">DJPfulio@jdpfu.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let me fix that for you ----<br>
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"lazy devs always want root so their code will work."<br>
"lazy companies always want their servers running/installed with root too.<br>
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We never wanted root. We never wanted logins. We didn't want to be<br>
blamed for anything bad system-wise that may happen. No root was a<br>
policy for our server code. Even during installations, no root was needed.<br>
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<span class="im">On 05/16/2017 08:49 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:</span><br>
<span class="im">> Indeed. Devs always want root so their code will work. Bad dev!</span><br>
<span class="im">></span><br>
<span class="im">> On Tue, 2017-05-16 at 08:20 -0400, leam hall wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:13 AM, DJ-Pfulio <<a href="mailto:DJPfulio@jdpfu.com">DJPfulio@jdpfu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:DJPfulio@jdpfu.com">DJPfulio@jdpfu.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>> It is actually an anti-pattern to trust the system versions of these<br>
>>> tools, if you are a developer.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> It's an anti-pattern to trust developers, if you're a systems person. :)<br>
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