<html><head></head><body><div>My weirdness with Signal is it's willingness to notify me when a contact from Google has started using signal.</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, 2017-03-23 at 10:58 -0400, Charles Shapiro wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I had a Bad Experience with Signal. It apparently auto-syncs your contact list with Google. That means that any un-synced contacts on your phone will vanish. My contact list went from 600 to 30 in a matter of minutes. Not Fun.<br><br></div>Of course, if you don't sync your contacts to Google, you take responsibility for backing them up. So it was more a minor annoyance than a hair on fire problem.<br><br></div>-- CHS<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Dustin Strickland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dustin.h.strickland@gmail.com" target="_blank">dustin.h.strickland@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="auto">Signal bring compromised isn't even a question. WL just put out documents that show the CIA's capability to foil the encryption on all secure messaging services for mobile. They use os-level exploits and intercept communications before they're encrypted by the app. I no longer go out of my way to protect my privacy because it just doesn't help. They've ruined cyber security.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 23, 2017 10:00 AM, "DJ-Pfulio" <<a href="mailto:DJPfulio@jdpfu.com" target="_blank">DJPfulio@jdpfu.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote type="cite">Signal is a huge target. I have ZERO doubt that all that traffic is<br>
being captured for later decryption. A weakness WILL BE FOUND and<br>
exploited, if not in the program, in the OS hosting it.<br>
<br>
If you are a dissident group trying to alter a government, might want to<br>
keep looking for a less popular solution. Use a little trade-craft in<br>
your OpSec.<br>
<br>
I believe that a false sense of security is worse than believing<br>
everything is non-secure, and acting appropriately.<br>
<br>
But if you are sharing secret family recipes, it is probably good<br>
enough. The more traffic on the internet that is encrypted, the better.<br>
Easier to hide a raindrop in a rainstorm than hiding a single balloon on<br>
a sunny day.<br>
<br>
Don't believe all the marketing hype - even the stuff I quoted below<br>
about retroshare. Do some packet sniffing. See what leaks.<br>
<br>
For example, how many people are/were using Lastpass? How many leaked<br>
credentials got out due to the latest flaw with FF/chrome plugins. An<br>
online password manager just seems foolish to me. I prefer my password<br>
manager NOT to having any network code.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/23/2017 09:21 AM, Ted W. wrote:<br>
> If all you want is a way to securely communicate with family use Signal.<br>
> It's not for email but it makes a great Apple Messages replacement. My<br>
> wife and I now use it since I moved off iOS and back to Android. It's<br>
> about a simple as it can get for this sort of thing.<br>
><br>
> -Ted<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 03:31:34PM -0400, DJ-Pfulio wrote:<br>
>> On 03/22/2017 02:00 PM, Alex Carver wrote:<br>
>>> I want to see something that is easy for my parents to use.<br>
>><br>
>> Might be worth looking at RestroShare.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://retroshare.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://retroshare.net/</a><br>
>> "Retroshare creates encrypted connections to your friends. Nobody can<br>
>> spy on you. Retroshare is completely decentralized. This means there are<br>
>> no central servers. It is entirely Open-Source and free. There are no<br>
>> costs, no ads and no Terms of Service."<br>
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