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Well,&nbsp; I dunno about you, but I paid exactly zero dinero for all of my Verizon phones, going back donkey's ages, including both Kyocera Palm Pilots.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; When Verizon is giving me a $500 phone, and getting most of that back over time each month, I cannot really complain if they have made efforts to prevent me from jumping ship to another carrier.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Although, using CDMA instead of GSM is a pretty big step in that direction.&nbsp;&nbsp; It seems most of their modern phones also support GSM. <BR>
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Reading their notes on unlocking policy, it seems they do unlock their prepaid phones after a year. <BR>
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OTOH, I can get really hacked sometimes that there have been zero Android updates to my HTC phone for about 4 years now, and apparently nothing on the horizon.&nbsp;&nbsp; Apparently they want me to chunk a perfectly good phone. <BR>
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    Verizon's phones typically feature locked bootloaders and obstacles to rooting tools.&nbsp; T-Mobile is marginally better. I don't know if that's just negligence or the result of a hideous political fight in the technical departments.&nbsp; I do, however, want control of my own devices with a minimum of hassle.<BR>
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        Yeah, but Verizon makes up for it by having really expensive plans to using the same phone in Europe... &nbsp; *8-) &nbsp; But, I understand their phones are unlocked for international use, so you can buy a SIM card at the airport when you land.&nbsp;
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        But seriously folks.... Verizon seems to have a tower pretty much everywhere. &nbsp; We were camped in Humbolt state park 100 miles north of San Francisco, amongst the redwoods, and there ain't NOTHING around this park.&nbsp; No gas stations, no stores, no convenience stores, no houses. &nbsp; &nbsp;And we have a 4-bar Verizon signal.&nbsp;
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        I actually USED TO have an unlimited Verizon plan, but never did use enough of it to justify keeping it. &nbsp; &nbsp;They have gotten increasingly more reasonable - I guess my many years of complaining to them as both our children and my wife left them for Ting. 
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            Subject: Re: [ale] OT: unlimited plans !?!<BR>
            From: Jim Kinney &lt;<A HREF="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>
            Date: Tue, February 14, 2017 7:31 pm<BR>
            To: &quot;Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!&quot; &lt;<A HREF="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</A>&gt;
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            Yeah. The US has stupid expensive data plans on phone and home.
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            On Feb 14, 2017 7:28 PM, &quot;Boris Borisov&quot; &lt;<A HREF="mailto:bugyatl@gmail.com">bugyatl@gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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                The other day I was discussing with friend of mine who is living in Europe about my Android camera app not having button for adjusting image size. I need to upload pics on my work phone but not needed to be 3.5 MB each.<BR>
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                Me: &quot; 2GB from Verizon&quot;<BR>
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                He literally laughed in my face :) &quot;Mine is 26 GB internet on 4G for 10$ a month&quot; and he showed his statistics 86 Mbit down&nbsp; and 18 Mbit up.<BR>
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                My Verizon phone showed 18 down and somewhere 2 up.<BR>
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                P.S. Wouldn&#8217;t bother you with that story but just read the <A HREF="http://www.businessinsider.com/unlimited-plans-comparison-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile-2017-2/#verizon-3">http://www.businessinsider.com</A><A HREF="http://www.businessinsider.com/unlimited-plans-comparison-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile-2017-2/#verizon-3">/unlimited-plans-comparison-</A><A HREF="http://www.businessinsider.com/unlimited-plans-comparison-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile-2017-2/#verizon-3">verizon-att-sprint-tmobile-</A><A HREF="http://www.businessinsider.com/unlimited-plans-comparison-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile-2017-2/#verizon-3">2017-2/#verizon-3</A><BR>
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