<html><head></head><body>Unless we disassemble EVERY off the shelf electronic device we buy with a solid understanding of what communication devices look like "in the raw", we will be subject to unsanctioned searches of all aspects of our lives. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On February 9, 2017 1:10:17 PM EST, Dustin Strickland <dustin.h.strickland@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="auto"><div>><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Anything we can imagine will/or</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif" /><span style="font-family:sans-serif">can be done. </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Ultra-sonic networking between devices with speakers and microphones.</span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><br /></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">My god. This is a horrifying concept.<br /></font><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 9, 2017 12:35 PM, "DJ-Pfulio" <<a href="mailto:DJPfulio@jdpfu.com">DJPfulio@jdpfu.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It is just a matter of time.<br />
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Plus IoT stuff **IS** both a target AND an issue.<br />
Got a Vizio smart-TV (11m sold)? It has been sucking up everything<br />
shown on the screen for years.<br />
<a href="https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2017/02/what-vizio-was-doing-behind-tv-screen" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ftc.gov/news-<wbr />events/blogs/business-blog/<wbr />2017/02/what-vizio-was-doing-<wbr />behind-tv-screen</a><br />
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"Vizio captured as many as 100 billion data points each day from<br />
millions of TVs."<br />
"$1.5 million payment to the FTC and an additional civil penalty to New<br />
Jersey for a total of $2.2 million."<br />
<br />
That isn't even a slap on the wrist. $150M fine is needed to get their<br />
attention. What about all the people outside NJ with these TVs?<br />
<br />
Running linux doesn't make anyone safe. Anything we can imagine will/or<br />
can be done.<br />
<br />
Ultra-sonic networking between devices with speakers and microphones.<br />
<br />
It is passed time that we control our networks appropriately. I'm<br />
included in that "we", BTW.<br />
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On 02/09/2017 10:29 AM, Charles Shapiro wrote:<br />
> These tools have been seen in the wild. Linux is not a target. 'Nuff said.<br />
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> -- CHS<br />
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> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Alex Carver <<a href="mailto:agcarver%2Bale@acarver.net">agcarver+ale@acarver.net</a><br />
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:agcarver%2Bale@acarver.net">agcarver+ale@acarver.<wbr />net</a>>> wrote:<br />
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> On 2017-02-08 09:25, DJ-Pfulio wrote:<br />
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> > I can see a day when we need to drop known networking methods on our<br />
> > LANs to aid in the fight against this issues.<br />
> ><br />
> > If you aren't blocking general egress traffic from your LAN, perhaps it<br />
> > is time to start, even at home.<br />
> ><br />
><br />
> "You're going to need a bigger boat." (firewall)<br />
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