<div dir="ltr">Anybody who has actually run their own mail servers for a while knows how much of a tremendous chore it is just to keep your mail from being blacklisted. Most major providers will, if one person acts up in your datacenter and you're not at some enormous facility with a name brand, simply ban the entire netblock. They don't care about collateral damage. I even get mail server admins who block my Google Business email ... and that's a PAYING space, and ergo one of the least polluted netblocks for spam on the entire internet.<div><br></div><div>Oh yea, you can still do your own mail server. But why on Earth would you want to? How much money is your time worth? How valuable are your emails? How much does it cost you if an important one doesn't make it? And I say that as a card carrying member of the EFF who has more than a passing distaste for the surveillance state we have become. The NSA didn't kill private email servers ... spam did.</div><div><br></div><div>It also doesn't help that pretty much every stand alone mail client is varying degrees of unsatisfactory (at least for my multi-account needs). Opera Mail was PERFECT. And they killed it. </div><div><br></div><div>And we'll assume for the sake of argument that spam filtering isn't a problem and there are tremendous mail clients available. That doesn't fix that the overwhelming majority of email traffic goes over in clear text, and the NSA will almost certainly see and record it in transit with their strategy of putting snooping stations just upstream (up-pipe?) from major people of interest like Google. If one day all email is traversing over SSL, Alex's idea will be the simplest way to defend your privacy without signing up for the headache of running your own mail server.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Alex Carver <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agcarver+ale@acarver.net" target="_blank">agcarver+ale@acarver.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 2016-09-29 02:30, DJ-Pfulio wrote:<br>
> Even client/lawyer communications aren't safe from DHS prying:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20160927-feds-we-can-read-all-your-email-and-you-ll-never-know" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.<wbr>homelandsecuritynewswire.com/<wbr>dr20160927-feds-we-can-read-<wbr>all-your-email-and-you-ll-<wbr>never-know</a><br>
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</span>Yes, this is why I run my own server and download my free email services<br>
(gmail, etc.) to my local hard drive on a regular basis (deleting the<br>
server side copies after download).<br>
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