<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"DJ-Pfulio" <DJPfulio@jdpfu.com><br><b>To: </b>ale@ale.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:27:35 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [ale] Tmux, where have you been alll my life?<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">On 09/14/2016 08:28 AM, James Sumners wrote:<br>> <br>> Connections do fail. I don't care how stable they are 99.9999999% of the<br>> time. Do you want that rare occurrence to screw up a vitally important<br>> operation? If not, use a multiplexer.<br><br>Connections do definitely fail, but I can only remember a handful of<br>times that mattered over 25 yrs. During a vitally important operation,<br>use tee and detach from the remote terminal.<br><br>Guess it is just a different way of working to solve the same issue. At<br>least that's what it appears with my extremely limited understanding.<br></blockquote><div>I'm not concerned about sessions to remotes. For me, tmux allows me to process lots of info in seconds without clicking tabs. Terminator would probably work for me here.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>For sessions I have programs for that. I have devices over ppp demand, VPN, etc. I've automated my SSH sessions to handle all that crap.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>1. I use ping to see if what I need to connect to is up. If over modem this will start the dial process.</div><div>2. Without ping ssh would start dial, but timeout. I also have to deal with poor phone lines so I use a custom chat that will try 57600, 9600, and 2400 on the serial port before failing. A dial process could take 3 minutes if we drop down to 2400.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>3. Once up I use ServerAliveInterval=2 and ServerAliveCountMax=1 to keep the SSH alive. My dial-ups will drop if no packets in 60s. Those SSH options fix it. Those SSH options also fix dumb NAT firewalls.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Instead of "exec SSH, if fail push up arrow and hit enter till success" I simply run my perl expect program with the target and go about my business.<br><br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>I'm no stranger to terminal sessions like tmux. I've used DoubleVision and FacetTerm.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>The Linux device I distribute uses standard fonts on tty1. 80x25. I now need to change that to use fonts as tiny as possible. When installing the device using a keyboard and LCD one can connect to other virtual terminals. Tmux will allow me to work faster. If tmux will work with GPM then I will be amazed. </div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div></div></div></body></html>