<html><head></head><body><div>Insurance companies don't want to pay out any money for a legitimate claim unless they absolutely have to. They sure as hell don't want to pay out for a claim from a fake person using your data.</div><div><br></div><div>So, yeah. You have you have to present far more than a pulse and an insurance card these days.</div><div><br></div><div>I know a dentist who won't take insurance. You pay him cash and hassle the insurance company on your own. His rates are rather less expensive than what the other dentist I've used charges. But the insurance dentist has 2-3 extra people on board drawing a paycheck just to process insurance stuff. The cash dentist is just him and an assistant.</div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, 2016-08-24 at 21:15 +0000, Chuck Balog wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>The flip side of this is that they take your ID to be sure that it's you. Identity theft can take many forms. Here's an old KHN article that's relevant: <a href="http://khn.org/news/medical-id/">http://khn.org/news/medical-id/</a><br><br></div>However, having worked for HHS, a hospital, and an insurance company, I can tell you that only a few pieces of the information that they ask for is for claims. Many insurance companies require an SSN for a claim to be electronically processed along with the plan details, etc. The other info they ask for like your phone numbers, where you work, etc. is meant for collections. I will tell you that I've never known a medical office to run a credit check on a patient. I have seen them refuse to process a claim and slide the paper form over to anyone refusing to provide SSN and demand payment in full.<br><br></div>I can tell you that just about every EMR system that's consumed as a service (most are these days) has to have at least an annual audit (but commonly quarterly) to comply with the HIPAA Security Rule. Details here:<a href="http://www.nist.gov/healthcare/security/hipaasecurity.cfm">http://www.nist.gov/healthcare/security/hipaasecurity.cfm</a> I'm not saying that makes it safe, (because I've had some WTF moments in audits) but someone is watching and following up.<br><br></div>Hope the info is valuable.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:17 PM leam hall <<a href="mailto:leamhall@gmail.com">leamhall@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>While I agree with your concern, if you were born in the US, have a credit card, see a doctor, or shop with a credit card, pretty much all of your information is for sale world-wide. The illusion of security is voided by the reality of security costs and the public still shopping at Target.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Jerald Sheets <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:questy@gmail.com" target="_blank">questy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:inherit;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Since many of you are privacy conscious, I’m curious as to how you handle the increasing requirements of medical offices to scan and store your drivers license to receive care. </span><div><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:inherit;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="-webkit-standard" size="3">I don’t mind proving who I am, but we just got dropped by a pediatrician for refusing to allow them to scan and store our driver’s license. It was a good pediatrician, too!</font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:inherit;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:inherit;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Any anecdotes, links to the actual statutes, etc.?</span></div><div><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:inherit;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:inherit;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="-webkit-standard" size="3">—jms</font></span></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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