<div dir="ltr"><div>My first job out of the Army was as a system admin in a Sun shop. When I got there, they were still using OpenWindows. I started playing around with CDE and got it locked down enough for the manager to let me give it to some users.<br><br></div>Brian<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:47 PM, <a href="mailto:maddog@li.org">maddog@li.org</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jonhall80@comcast.net" target="_blank">jonhall80@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">>CDE was not free in those days.<br>
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</span>Depends on what you mean by the word "Free", Pilgrim.<br>
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Most of the vendors that had workstations bundled CDE "runtime" in with their systems, so your application could dynamically link to it.<br>
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"Developers Kits" (wow, that sounds so dated) would typically sell with the compilers, although some vendors gave them out for free.<br>
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>Not being free probably explains whey there is not a plethora of free software out on the net for 'dt'.<br>
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</span>A bit. But Motif (and CDE) were "too little, too late". In those days workstations of proprietary architectures (HP, IBM, DEC, even Sun) were being used as servers, not desktops. The desktop had been ceded to inexpensive Intel machines running (typically) Microsoft. The few "graphical developers" out there that used Unix on the desktop were really not interested in creating applications for the (relatively) few Unix systems used on the desktop.<br>
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In 1994, as GNU/Linux started to creep out onto the desktop, GTK+ and Qt were making their way as toolkits, and of course Gnome and KDE started up as desktops.<br>
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Never equate "difficulty in doing a port" as a reason for people not creating applications. Volume (or the lack of it) is much more the deciding factor.<br>
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</span><span class="im HOEnZb">From: "DJ-Pfulio" <<a href="mailto:DJPfulio@jdpfu.com">DJPfulio@jdpfu.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a><br>
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:15:45 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Party like it is 1995<br>
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a) for the time, it seems ¨user friendly¨<br>
b) you should be embarrassed. ;)<br>
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It is amazing what we've become used to using. Screen shot is an example. How many of use do this? I do it a few times/week.<br>
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In CDE, Motiff, etc. you run a program in xterm to create the shot. For modern convenience you use convert to convert to PNG.<br>
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"If I run the program in the xterm will I not also get the the xterm in the shot? "<br>
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Yes you would. I suggest using 'sleep 5' before the command and minimize the xterm. :)<br>
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CDE was not free in those days. I had 4 HP 7XX workstations in my spare bedroom with 21" tubes. All running HP-UX and CDE. Not being free probably explains whey there is not a plethora of free software out on the net for 'dt'.<br>
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