<p dir="ltr">And now there's Puerto Rican coffee all over my phone. Thanks Jim for the visual imagery there.</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 21, 2016, 5:02 PM Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jkinney@jimkinney.us">jkinney@jimkinney.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US"><div>So attendees at the next systemd talk need to wear bondage garb. </div><div><br></div><div>Eww. The expected visual of that is unpleasant. IT attracts a crowd accustomed to body sculpting by beer. Hundreds of chunky "Pulp Fiction" style latex suited protestors at a systemd talk. Eww. </div></div><div lang="EN-US"><div><br></div><div>On Thu, 2016-01-21 at 21:50 +0000, Lightner, Jeff wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Uh-oh – Now the tin foil hat paranoids are going to remind us Systemd is a plot for world domination. Silly people think the d at the end of Systemd is for
“daemon” but *<b>they</b>* KNOW it is for “domination”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While the original gummiboot sources are gone, the code still exists but was merged into everyone's favorite tool: systemd<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Gummiboot-Is-Dead" target="_blank">https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Gummiboot-Is-Dead</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So Linux systems still have a EUFI boot tool but it's part of systemd as SD-boot. Looks like the entire code base was dumped in and renamed SD-boot. The original author worked on both projects.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have not used it nor have I poked at it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ArchLinux has more info on using it<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-boot" target="_blank">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-boot</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sort of like when serial mice were dropped from the kernel. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 2016-01-21 at 16:23 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<pre>On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:26:39 -0600<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Preston <<a href="mailto:preston.lists@gmail.com" target="_blank">preston.lists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Very disappointed with this:<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>
<pre>"Up until recently, the Linux Foundation allowed the individual<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>members to elect two board members and ensure that the voice of Linux<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>community is considered at the board meetings. In a shocking change,<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>the Foundation has erased this clause and decided to benefit the<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>corporate companies rather that whole community."<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre><a href="http://fossbytes.com/why-linux-foundations-latest-change-is-a-bad-new-for-open-source/" target="_blank">http://fossbytes.com/why-linux-foundations-latest-change-is-a-bad-new-for-open-source/</a><u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Preston<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>This surprises me not one bit. Linux Foundation is organized for big<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>corporations, not for the unpaid developers and non-corporate users who<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>built Linux in the first place. Here's a quote from Wikipedia:<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>
<pre>============================================================<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Its funding comes primarily from its Platinum Members: Fujitsu, HP,<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>IBM, Intel, NEC, Oracle, Qualcomm, and Samsung and for many years<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Hitachi.[23] These nine each having a representative on the Board of<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Directors, they hold a majority on the 16-person board.[24]<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>============================================================<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>What I find quite scary about this is that the Linux Foundation<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>possesses one of the few all-distro methods to boot with Secure Boot.<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>The microsecond their major contributors decide an all-distro method to<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>boot Secure Boot is contrary to their bottom line, none of us have an<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>all-distro method, unless we find the last version, and fork it.<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>
<pre>According to gummiboot Wikipedia page<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gummiboot_(software" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gummiboot_(software</a>) :<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>
<pre>=============================================================<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>In May 2015, gummiboot was fully integrated into systemd to form its<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>systemd-boot component that serves as a UEFI boot manager.[2][3]<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Following this action, the source code repository of gummiboot was<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>emptied out in July 2015.<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>=============================================================<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>
<pre>"The source code repository of gummiboot was emptied out in July 2015."<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Makes it just a little harder to fork, doesn't it?<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>From where I stand, corporate Linux will foreclose user choice if such<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>foreclosure enhances the corporation's bottom line.<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>
<pre>Unless you own or are paid by a big corporation, Linux Foundation is<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>not your friend.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>SteveT<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Steve Litt <u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.troubleshooters.com/28" target="_blank">http://www.troubleshooters.com/28</a><u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>James P. Kinney III<u></u><u></u></pre>
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