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<body><div>Justin will do a bit with AWS as a cloud target (and maybe some linode for fun). Maybe the two of you can collaborate on a joint, 1 hour "here's how to do <cool stuff here> on <cloud> while <other cloud> does <cool stuff> <another/similar way>."</div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 15:23 -0500, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite">
What do you have in mind Jim? I might be able to help put something
together in time for March. I do run a hybrid network with servers
in-house and over various cloud providers both personally and for
work.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2016 8:30 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">What are the chances of someone doing a talk on
integrating cloud and local services? March is open.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 8, 2016 11:20 PM, "Jeremy T.
Bouse" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jeremy.bouse@undergrid.net">jeremy.bouse@undergrid.net</a>>
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On 1/8/2016 7:34 PM, Justin Caratzas wrote:<br>
> On 1/8/16 7:23 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:<br>
>> On 1/8/2016 5:39 PM, James Sumners wrote:<br>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:13 PM, chip <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chip.gwyn@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:chip.gwyn@gmail.com">chip.gwyn@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chip.gwyn@gmail.com">chip.gwyn@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Take a look at Vultr.com, can do it there.
They have hosting in<br>
>>> Atlanta too. They're basically the economy
choopa stuff.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> That's looking rather nice. $5/mo for 1TB of
transfer and plenty of<br>
>>> resources for my needs.<br>
>> Not that I have any horse in the race or anything,
but as a cloud<br>
>> service consumer here's a few of my observations...<br>
>><br>
>> First off, I have/currently use LInode, AWS and
DigitalOcean... Mainly<br>
>> for one simple reason, all 3 providers have good
support with SaltStack<br>
>> so I don't actually have to log into their UI to do
anything to manage<br>
>> my servers from cradle to grave.<br>
>><br>
>> I will say I did look at Vultr and they do have some
nice features and<br>
>> it does appear that Apache libcloud [1] does have
support for Vultr<br>
>> which would make a SaltStack salt-cloud driver
realistically possible<br>
>> though doesn't currently exist. I was really floored
by their benchmark<br>
>> comparisons [2] and how much it was apples and
oranges. I loved how they<br>
>> compare a 768MB/1CPU Vultr system for $5/month
against a 3.75GB/2CPU AWS<br>
>> C3.Large that will run you around $78/month on-demand
or between<br>
>> $29-54/month depending on reserved instance pricing
or their 2GB/2CPU<br>
>> Vultr system for $20/month against the 3.75GB/1CPU
AWS M3.Large with run<br>
>> costs abount $99/month on-demand and<br>
>> $39-71/month reserved instance. Comparing against an
AWS T2 instance<br>
>> (nano 512MB/1CPU or micro 1GB/1CPU) would have seemed
like better<br>
>> candidate for comparison against the 768MB Vultr and
runs closer<br>
>> ($5/month t2.nano or $10/month t2.micro on-demand or
$2-4/month t2.nano<br>
>> or $6-7/month t2.micro reserved instance). Likewise a
t2.small or<br>
>> t2.medium would have been better comparisons for the
2GB Vultr. It<br>
>> looked like they went out of their way to pick the
most expensive option<br>
>> to compare so their numbers looked better. I found a
blog [3] that<br>
>> seemed to give a better comparison in fact.<br>
> Slight disagreement, I believe the t2.* are terrible
machines to<br>
> benchmark, given the cpu bursting budget. m3/4.mediums
would have been<br>
> the better comparison, the Cs are a bit nuts w/ pricing.<br>
Yes, the t2 instances are burstable but they are better than
the older<br>
generate t1 instances. If you're comparing cost however the t2
would be<br>
a better comparison as the specs are closer as is the cost.
When you're<br>
comparing a $5 instance to a $78 instance your "Performance
per dollar"<br>
is obviously not going to be comparable. The C3 instances are
more CPU<br>
optimized instances, the M3 and M4 are more general purpose
with<br>
balanced CPU & memory with the M3 being SSD-based
instances which is<br>
really the only comparison against DO or Vultr with the
minimum in the<br>
series being the m3.medium which has 1 CPU and 3.75GB RAM and
4GB SSD.<br>
> How do you like libcloud? I've been meaning to check it
out.<br>
I haven't worked with it directly myself. Many of the
salt-cloud<br>
provider drivers are written utilizing it as it provides a
quick method<br>
to do so. There are still many drivers that have libcloud
support<br>
available but still don't utilize it. In most of the cases the
drivers<br>
were written prior to libcloud support and hasn't been any
real need to<br>
re-write them yet. I'm currently working with another cloud
provider<br>
that doesn't have libcloud support so we're having to do a lot
more of<br>
the work going off API documentation from the provider as the
only API<br>
library we've been able to find for it is not fully up to the
task.<br>
>> Otherwise the pricing between DO and Vultr doesn't
appear to really be<br>
>> all that difference comparing plans either. That said
I may have to<br>
>> check out Vultr and see if I can't get the salt-cloud
driver working.<br>
>> Cost being low enough I wouldn't mind throwing some
money at it to get<br>
>> another cloud provider option made available to me. I
like having the<br>
>> ability to launch and deploy my hosts to any
SaltStack supported cloud<br>
>> provider for a DR/BC perspective and keeps me from
being locked into any<br>
>> one provider. Then again I'm not worried about
uploading custom ISO<br>
>> images and if I were I'd simply build and deploy
those to AWS where I<br>
>> could easily make my own AMI offline and knowing how
to work AWS to be<br>
>> cost comparative wouldn't bother me.<br>
>><br>
>> 1. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://libcloud.readthedocs.org/en/latest/compute/drivers/vultr.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://libcloud.readthedocs.org/en/latest/compute/drivers/vultr.html</a><br>
>> 2. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.vultr.com/benchmarks/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.vultr.com/benchmarks/</a><br>
>> 3. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://blog.due.io/2014/linode-digitalocean-and-vultr-comparison/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.due.io/2014/linode-digitalocean-and-vultr-comparison/</a><br>
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Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
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