<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"DJ-Pfulio" <djpfulio@jdpfu.com><br><b>To: </b>ale@ale.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, November 27, 2015 4:36:51 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [ale] [90dw-lcthw] C as a second language<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">And that was the common advice from 1960-1995.<br>Since then, we've learned that students don't stick with languages long enough<br>if there isn't nearly immediate feedback and the ability to create useful programs.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't think this has anything to do with new students. I tried to learn every language I could when I was younger, but the ones that stuck were the ones where I needed to use them as a tool.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Perl is an excellent example. Tried the 21 days book back in the 90s. Never stuck and I kept programming in C. I needed a way to hammer our systems, programs, etc so I used Perl as a debugging tool. Make 100,000 connections and look for memory leaks for example. Today, I now write more Perl than I do C.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div></div></div></body></html>