<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Michael Trausch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@trausch.us" target="_blank">mike@trausch.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Systemd is an optional dependency of GNOME.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not when the distribution makes it a hard dependency. I do not give a shit if building GNOME on my own does not require systemd, neither does anyone else. It's the way distributions package the DE that make it an issue.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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And it makes higher level management easier.<br>
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I am sick of the bullshit ignorance here and everywhere on this. It's a damned useful tool which simplifies many tasks all across the IT board.<br>
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Show me another system where with nothing more than an extra keyboard and mouse and monitor, and one single command, one workstation can become two.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not something I need, basically ever. So why would I want it present on every single system?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Show me one use case where logging more information with additional security controls available is bad.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Show me how those logs can be read with a simple pager. From a different system. That doesn't use systemd.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Remind me again why reducing several code paths into one more easily maintained one is bad?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Because: do one thing and do it well. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
And why is a simple config file harder for you than a turing complete shell script? Do you hate the 1kb reduction per executable to eliminate the double fork tty disassociation hokey pokey, too? Or the consolidation of common functionality in now nearly universal shared objects?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nowhere in my response did I say a replacement to SysV wasn't needed. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Nah. Don't waste the time. I won't have the give a fuck to read it anyway. If you want to walk uphill both ways to work in six inches of snow, don't use a major, audited, supported distribution in your work. Simple.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And I don't have the fuck to give about generally any of your bullshit.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> On Nov 17, 2015, at 12:34 PM, James Sumners <<a href="mailto:james.sumners@gmail.com">james.sumners@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> No, I think it is a project that was started by someone who has a fundamental misunderstanding of the ecosystem and its adoption a thing of bewilderment. If it weren't for udev, and whatever the hell part of systemd that GNOME depends upon, I don't think it would be where it is today.<br>
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