<html><head></head><body>Systemd is a small tool that does one thing, it starts the system as chosen by the admin. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On September 18, 2015 12:51:54 PM EDT, leam hall <leamhall@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Solomon Peachy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pizza@shaftnet.org" target="_blank">pizza@shaftnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:16:40AM -0400, leam hall wrote:<br />
> Do we care?<br />
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> <a href="https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~awb/linux.history.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~awb/linux.history.html</a><br />
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</span>It's not much of a history if it was written on July 31, 1992.<br /></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>It provides insight into original motivations.<br /><br /></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
> systemd bothers me at a visceral level. It really does seem like an MS<br />
> minded beast controlling a Linux shell; a monster from horror films. It<br />
> looks like Linux and we are supposed to just like it? If we like systemd,<br />
> why care about Linux at all? Why not just do Windows and totally succumb?<br />
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</span>Are you seriously saying that the epitome of a proprietary, closed,<br />
vendor-specific system is somehow comparable to a solution that is not<br />
only (vastly) technically superior, highly customizable, and provided<br />
under a Free Software license?<br />
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...So what exactly are you basing your feelings on here? Be specific.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><br /></blockquote><div><br /></div><div> Yes. We have a system that's vastly technically superior, highly customizable, and provided under Free Software license. It was also not so intrusive, and that is what really bugs me. <br /><br /></div><div>There is the philosophy of "small tools" as a point of elegance. There is also the pragmatic requirement of not having to learn a new OS amount of stuff to stay on the same OS. There is also the point of lightweight which keeps systems zippy. There is also the basic idea of giving you options. <br /><br /></div><div>Really, I hear nothing about systemd that makes me think it's a good idea. When it's so intrusive it definitely becomes a bad idea. Really, from usability and morality it is no better than MS.<br /><br /></div><div>Leam<br /></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><b
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